Sunday, March 19, 2006

Lighting 101 - Light Stands

Now that you have decided to get the flash off of the camera, you'll need some place to put it. And for most situations the best choice will be to attach it to a light stand.

Most any light stand will safely support a shoe-mount strobe. So look for a stand that that is reasonably priced, can stand up to some abuse and is light and easily transportable.

Two of my favorites are the Bogen 6' Retractable 5-Section Light Stand (3373) and the Bogen 8' Compact Light Stand. The 3373 has been discontinued for another model. It is now sold as a Manfrotto Nano 001 (~$58.00).

There is an off-brand 5-section compact stand that is very similar (and a little more heavy duty, actually) for $39.99. It is called a LumoPro 604. For all practical purposes, the two are exchangeable.

If you are not going to put a stand through a hard duty cycle, there is no reason to spend a lot of money. Stands are notin the optical chain. They hold up the flash -- and a very small flash if you are using speedlights.

The 5-section compact stands are my workhorse (I use two of them regularly) because they fold up to a very compact package and will support a shoe-mount strobe just fine. But if you are looking to get a little extra height and are willing to forego the ultra-compact folding advantages of the compact stands, you have many good choices to suit just about any budget.

The second example, for instance, is a sturdier, taller, general purpose stand will double as a support for larger strobes when I need it, but does not fold as compactly because it has only three sections. There are plenty of good choices. But if you are shopping price, make sure the stand is a full-sized version, and not just a short "background" stand, though.

Besides extreme portability, another reason that I like the 5-section stands is that they use solid aluminum legs to save space. This means that they can be easily drilled (1/4" hole works fine - see detail photo) to take an O-ring so you can attach a strap. This is a great setup, as it allows you to just throw the stand over your shoulder as easily as carrying another camera body.

You can easily attach a strap to a tubular-legged light stand, too. Just use a little gaffer's tale and 3 or 4 inches of a straight section of clothes hanger wire with a little "bump-out" bent into the middle of it. Use needle-nosed pliers and gaffer tape the straight parts to the stand legs. Hook the O-rings to the middle parts.

One advantage of stands other than the 3373 is that it gives you more choices on the umbrella, which we will talk about later. The 5-section, small-folding stands are pretty close to the same size of the double-fold umbrellas. But if you get a normal-sized stand, you have a much wider choice of umbrellas to choose from.

(It would make very little sense to get a compact-folding stand and bungee it to a full-sized umbrella, or vice versa.)

Whichever way you go, either version will be very functional. The 3373's and double-fold umbrellas can be annoyingly difficult to find in stock, as you pretty much have only one model number to choose from for each. But if you do not need that N-th degree of portability, the normal stands and umbrellas will give you a more sturdy support and light softener for less money.

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36 Comments:

Anonymous usrbingeek said...

The Bogen 6' Retractable 5-Section Light seems to be discontinued! Its number 3373 right? Do you know the current model that replaces it?

Thanks

April 18, 2006 1:03 PM  
Blogger David said...

Ouch. You are right. This apparently just happened. I will try to locate another source and/or find out what is going on.

I sure hope they are not discontinuing that stand from Bogen. It is the best stand going for small strobe stuff.

(BTW, 3373 is the black model, I think)

Any help on sourcing this would be appreciated!

April 18, 2006 1:13 PM  
Anonymous usrbingeek said...

I looked and looked on Bogen's site and manfrotto.com and performed multiple searches on both. Couldn't find any mention of the 3373 or find any other 5 section stands that fold to 19".

The good news is B&H seems to still have the 3373 in stock but if Bogen has something new and maybe better....

April 18, 2006 1:19 PM  
Anonymous filmfrog said...

Is the Manfrotto 001 Nano stand not the same thing? It's 5 sections, folds to 48cm, and goes up to 190 cm.

I read somewhere that the brandname "Bogen" that's used in the US is now being nixed by Manfrotto, and the Manfrotto name (and model numbers) are now going to be used worldwide. Maybe this has something to do with the 'discontinuation' of Bogen 3373, but to my eye the Manfrotto 001 Nano is the same thing.

April 18, 2006 11:49 PM  
Anonymous Smudger Al said...

There seems to be a slight difference between the Bogen 3373 and the Manfrotto 001 'Nano' stand. The brass spigot no longer has the little screw thread and rubber cover. Instead, it's just a flat thing. Otherwise, it's functionally identical.

This new spigot still allows a umbrella adaptor to fit over it (at least it lets the Calumet one fit... dunno about the Adorama one).

April 19, 2006 7:00 PM  
Anonymous Joseph J. Nemo said...

"O-rings" are made of rubber, and seal things; what you are showing are "split rings".

June 06, 2006 4:43 PM  
Blogger David said...

Sorry bout that. 'Round these parts we had always referred to them as "O" rings and "D" rings, depending on the shape - both being of the "split" variety.

June 06, 2006 6:37 PM  
Anonymous Joseph J. Nemo said...

Found three 3373's lying around. Took one of them and drilled two 3/16" holes, which I then tapped to 1/4"-20, saving the deburring for last. Two sawed-off eyebolts were then screwed in and completely stabilized with nylon locknuts. I just prefer not to have the split rings flopping around.

June 06, 2006 11:33 PM  
Anonymous wlai said...

I'm slowly accumulating the starving student kit and trying to save money where I can. Can a tripod be used with an the umbrella holder as a light stand? I've got a few flyweight tripods lying around that aren't good for anything.

June 21, 2006 2:37 AM  
Blogger R. Nurse said...

Hi All,

In looking at the 3373, does it come with a gadget for attaching a hotshoe strobe to the stand?

Thanks.

July 02, 2006 11:59 AM  
Blogger David said...

Nope. Keep reading, the umbrella adapter is a couple of posts down in L101.

Cheers,
DH

July 02, 2006 1:10 PM  
Blogger R. Nurse said...

Ahhh! Found it! Thanks.

July 02, 2006 9:51 PM  
Blogger MagikTrik said...

Has anyone had any trouble with the [modified] stands popping open when slung over your shoulder. I guess I'm just being a whiner but whenever I have to kinda speedwalk or hustle a little bit with them I always feel like the bottom is going to pop open (although I should point out that it hasn't happened yet). I was just wondering if I should bungee them closed or anything because having it open up while I'm running across a city street!

July 06, 2006 10:16 PM  
Blogger David said...

That would be use #579 of the 1,001 uses for a (25-cent) ball bungee cord. Then when you get to your shoot, you can use the ball bungee to fasten a strobe to something high up if you need to.

Get Thee To Home Depot or Wal Mart...

July 06, 2006 10:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since that particular lightstand seems to be discontinued/not carried,/more expensive, would this one work in its stead?

http://www.adorama.com/SALSC8.html

Not only does it go to 8', it shrinks to 16.7". Seems like a good alternative that is a full $20 cheaper!

July 28, 2006 3:54 PM  
Anonymous Chris Leck said...

Another stand you might consider is the Bogen/Manfrotto 3320 'Stacker' stand. It folds flat and multiple stands can be clipped together for transport and storage. It has a threaded hole for a Bogen strap, opens to 85", and has a 9 lb. capacity (over double the 3373).

Drawbacks are that it is more expensive ($75 B&H), heavier by 8 oz., and 6" longer when closed -- still fairly small and lightweight.

September 09, 2006 3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the above picture, the top part of the stand seems to have been taken out and inserted into the bottom of the stand, to make it more compact.

Is this possible with most lighting stands?

September 12, 2006 3:11 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

The Bogen 3353 is the same stand as the 3373 but in silver instead of black. As of 9.13.06 it is still in stock at many of the online stores.

September 13, 2006 10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't the DynaLite 470 the same thing? The specs are identical according to B&H. Bogen 3373 and DynaLite 470. The DynaLite is $7.00 more expensive, but at least it seems to be pretty regularly available... JeffC.

January 12, 2007 2:34 PM  
Blogger Gordon McKinney said...

Correction, the 3320 has a 9 kg = 20 lb capacity. I received mine yesterday and they work great. I also bought some 5 lb Boa Bags to help weight the bottom.

Re: Chris Leck said... "and has a 9 lb. capacity (over double the 3373)."

January 25, 2007 7:40 AM  
Anonymous Alistair Windsor said...

JeffC wrote

Isn't the DynaLite 470 the same thing? The specs are identical according to B&H. Bogen 3373 and DynaLite 470.

I got the Dyna-Lite 470 stands. They are rebranded Manfrotto stands. They are identical to the Bogen 3373.

If you cannot find Bogen 3373 then you could get a Dyna-Lite 470 or a Manfrotto Nano 001

March 01, 2007 9:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tend to be shooting outside, where wind is always present, and tends to convert softboxes and umbrellas into sails. Short of the 10lb sandbag, do you ever bring "stand stabilization" with you? I've got little 2lb wrist weights i've used, wondering what others may have devised?

March 02, 2007 8:50 AM  
Anonymous Andrew said...

It appears the out-of-stock issue might be due to the bogen to manfrotto switch in the states. All the Samy's locations in the LA area have them...I just bought one today with a manfrotto name on it but it's still numbered 3373.

March 07, 2007 10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all you UK strobist's-on-a-shoestring; you might like this. I have been searching for cheap light stands, something similar to what we see here...more lightweight than the portaflash offerings, not to mention cheaper...

Check this out, a Hama Studio Lighting Stand - 4082:

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_1&products_id=7840

£17.99 each, and just £3.95 postage foar as many as you want...

OK, so it's silver and not the sturdiest in the world, but hey it gets your strobes off the camera at the cheapest price I've seen so it's a good thing right?

Also, not seen anyone mention this, but while I'm here, a cheap alternative to the ever increasing in price Vivitars? Try some Canon 199As. OK, so its full manual only, BUT the gel swatchs slide in perfectly into the gap between the WA panel and the flash lens. Get some NDs in there and you're good to go.

Keep making the shots and saving the cash guys...

March 27, 2007 4:18 PM  
Anonymous Duncan Babbage said...

There seems to be a slight difference between the Bogen 3373 and the Manfrotto 001 'Nano' stand. The brass spigot no longer has the little screw thread and rubber cover. Instead, it's just a flat thing. Otherwise, it's functionally identical.

1 May 2007: Just got a Manfrotto 001 Nano and it does have the adaptor that screws onto the top of the stand, which gives it a tripod-sized screw instead of the larger one, and it does have the rubber cover for that. So it essentially appears to be identical to the 3373...

May 01, 2007 4:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those in the UK looking for cheap light stands try these -> http://www.backdropsource.co.uk/Productinfo.asp?id=614.

I've just got two for £35 (inc vat), they seem well made, sturdy and aren't too heavy. Delivery is fast and free to the UK mainland.

May 31, 2007 1:03 PM  
Blogger paulcoxphotography said...

These Manfrotto Nano stands are pretty neat - thanks for the tip. This whole series has been a mine of information.

October 14, 2007 9:21 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

the dynalite 470, (here), seems to be the winner for me - folds to 19" and extends to 6'5.

November 29, 2007 4:21 PM  
Blogger Richard Licence said...

Hi Dave

Came across the following clamp/umbrella the other day with building hotshoe - a bit more expensive and i'm not sure about internationl availability but pretty cool none the less.

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/?/photo/flashguns/velbon.html

Cheers for now.

Richard

January 10, 2008 12:01 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

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January 10, 2008 3:15 PM  
Anonymous Arved said...

For an interesting alternative, how about adding an air cushioned light stand to the list of possibilities? Impact makes 2 8 foot air cushioned light stands in black. They are both 4 section light stands that retract to 27" stored.

I get mine from B&H Photo Video:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/335283-REG/Impact_2212ABH_Air_Cushioned_Black_Stand.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/253074-REG/Impact_LS_8A_Air_Cushioned_Black_Stand.html

I've had the first one listed for about a year, and it works well. I'm not sure what the difference is. From the photos, the only think I can see is the handle that locks the legs.

Hope this helps someone!

February 08, 2008 7:33 AM  
Blogger John said...

I just picked up my Manfrotto kit today. Nano stand (001B), Umbrella Adapter (026) and Flash Shoe (143S). No extra parts needed.

It's a pretty sweet kit now I just need a decent umbrella. Impossible to get Westcott stuff in Denmark.

The whole thing weights in at 1331g and have a collapsed length of 58cm.

It becomes a bit unstable at full extension with a 110cm shoot-through umbrella but You only need to go that heigh if You are shooting seriously tall people.

April 03, 2008 2:10 PM  
Anonymous Shaphill. K said...

Please consider another ultra-compact stand, the Lowel uni stand. 22" 1/4 when folded, but it raises up to 7.5' .

April 08, 2008 12:12 AM  
Anonymous Markus Petersen said...

I just got the Manfrotto 001B and 026 head (and just ordered the 143S flash shoe -- d'oh!), it's a really nice stand. The stand came in at 500DKK (~67€) and the head at 250DKK . Most shops said they couldn't find the stand in their system, but my local one could order them for next-day delivery immediately. Weird.

Anyway, I'm happy now! :D

August 18, 2008 11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have NO IDEA how much I'm LOVING these articles!! I am just starting out in the SLR world, and desperately needed someone to walk me through each piece of gear and explain why I needed it. When you have zero knowledge about the subject, everything seems completely overwhelming and there are too many choices. These articles are PERFECT for answering my many questions!

February 19, 2009 3:51 PM  
Blogger Milorad said...

For anyone getting into this now, the Manfrotto 001b Nano has been replaced with the Manfrotto 5001b Nano. Also excellent.

Model names are similar enough for a web search, but your local store will want you to give them the right model.

June 17, 2009 5:29 AM  

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