Monday, March 12, 2007

Temptation Getting the Better of Me

It's almost midnite, and I'm the only one awake in the house. Ever notice how gear lust seems to hit late at night? I swear, it's like a seven-year itch for me.

Not that I would ever, ever experience the real thing. (Hi, honey!)

Anyone here own a Canon G7? (For the unfamiliar, here is DPReview's take.)

I played with one up in Rhode Island, right in full view of the Nikon guys across the aisle. Felt guilty, but I did it anyway. Oooh, it was nice.

Ten megapixels, feels kinda like a Leica (or at least a Contax - couple of nicely clicking dials up top...) vibration reduction, hot shoe (for my PW's of course) huge screen, 35/2.8 equiv that zooms to a 200 and a real nice chip.

Getting woozy just thinking about it.

Anyone here using one of these things? They are less than $500 street, and I am thinking about pulling the trigger. I'd have to have it shipped to the office of course.

Somebody talk me out of (or into) it in the comments...


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70 Comments:

Anonymous Mariano Friginal said...

now you make me wanna get one too...

March 13, 2007 12:18 AM  
Blogger Patrick Smith said...

You're tempted by a camera. I'm procrastinating studying. Which is worse? Ha.

Anyways, that's a cool little camera with some cool features.

Definitely a tempting little camera with nice features. Would sure be nice for travel when you don't want to carry an SLR. But I think I hear your wife coming up the stairs, close the web page!!!

March 13, 2007 12:24 AM  
Anonymous MG Adams said...

Dave can I have your gear when your wife finds out?

I would give it a good home, plenty of exercise, love and affection...

March 13, 2007 12:36 AM  
Anonymous Janne said...

No RAW format. Jpeg only. I wouldn't touch it. Get a smaller, lighter, cheaper Jpeg-only camera, wait for a successor with RAW capability, or take a look at the upcoming Sigma DP1.

March 13, 2007 12:36 AM  
Blogger George said...

First off, great site. I've found so much I can do with just the Canon stuff in my backpack. :)
Second, don't do it... It doesn't have the flip out screen like the old G6. Also, it doesn't shoot RAW.
How about the upcoming Sigma DP1?
That way the Nikon guys won't be so mad;)

March 13, 2007 12:41 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...

It doesn't have RAW, which may be a deal breaker.

I don't own a G7, but I've been super happy with the digital elph's I've owned.

March 13, 2007 12:56 AM  
Anonymous Wirehead Arts said...

You do realize that it's 10 megapixels on a 1/1.8" sensor that's already severely lacking in noise and dynamic range at 5 megapixels and that a diffraction limited lens wouldn't resolve the equivelent lines of 10 megapixels, right?

Resist the urge. Wait and see if Sigma screws up the DP1 instead. :P

March 13, 2007 1:01 AM  
Blogger Jordan said...

I work at a camera shop and we have this camera. Almost everyday, I take the demo and take it around the shop to test out.

It's super fast, the lens is amazing, it's got a Digic III processor, great looking retro look, metalic body...I could go on and on and on.

I think the only issue I have with it is that the grip is a bit to small.

I wish I could slap down the plastic for this but I still feel I want that RAW mode, which it doesn't have.

March 13, 2007 1:17 AM  
Blogger Keith said...

To be honest, it's a great camera. I used to work at a little camera shop in Philadelphia and I played with it every so often; it's prob one of the best p&s cameras on the market. The images are so tack sharp and it's GREAT under low-light. Hell, I even dropped it once or twice and the thing keeps on ticking. If you have the money, it's definitely worth the purchase especially for those days when you don't feel like lugging around your DSLR + lens...I'd say go for it.

March 13, 2007 1:17 AM  
Anonymous Ranmandx said...

I like this camera too only downfall to it. no raw support. I think that's reason enough to hold off.

March 13, 2007 1:20 AM  
Blogger Keith said...

Oh and p.s. I meant to apologize for poking in your face all through your Friday lighting session, Michelle had me shooting for the NPPA and I didn't have a chance to introduce myself. I got some good shots though.

March 13, 2007 1:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No question, it's as powerful of a P&S as there is. The low ISO images from this camera are ridiculously clean when you think how small that camera is. Perfect light weight hiking camera for me. I've played with a buddy's multiple times, and I love it.

Only thing that keeps me from buying it: no RAW. I want it for landscapes while hiking, and RAW is invaluable. Why did canon omit this on the G7, when they had it on the G5 and previous models? BLAST!

March 13, 2007 1:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe you should check your email instead.

March 13, 2007 1:24 AM  
Blogger Sean Phillips said...

I've had a G3 for years and it's been a great camera, but it's still a point and shoot.

Awesome picture quality, but these things aren't really small enough to slip in your pocket, so it's kinda like having a really big P&S or a really bad SLR. Your SLR will always take nicer pictures, so stick with that if you want a big camera and get a really small one if you don't...

March 13, 2007 1:43 AM  
Blogger Velu said...

Few years ago I had a G3 for ... about two weeks. Being used to a analog SLR, it's shutter lag/response time made me switch in an instant to a (second hand) D30.
But I can imagine that meanwhile, reaction speed got speed up.
I like the shape, format (not just a P&S but almost a "real" camera) and the LCD screen (it's still tiltable !? )
Nice to take with you to Euro Disney or so ! ( Sorry, Disneyworld that is over there !) :)

In a nutshell, if I'm about to buy a P&S, it would be a "G" serie !
( sorry ) hah

March 13, 2007 2:08 AM  
Anonymous Omar Casasola said...

Sorry Dave, can't talk you out of it given that I myself have been drooling over these for a while now. I used to own a Canonete GL 17 and loved it to death. Hope this helps.

March 13, 2007 2:08 AM  
Blogger dan'ism! said...

Well, I was at BestBuy waiting for someone and I was bored, so I sold someone the G7 (I don't even work there. =P)

I think it looks ugly, but it's a step up from my S80 (which is my sidearm in addition to my Canon XT (soon to be 30D) ).

I think the 28mm on my S80 is a bigger draw though. Party pix are much easier.

March 13, 2007 2:10 AM  
Anonymous Paul said...

The lack of raw support is a deal breaker for me.

March 13, 2007 2:11 AM  
Blogger bmillios said...

Go for it. I mean, geez, you egged us on with the $400 hit on the pocketwizards. I was sitting down when I got to that part in the series, I still had heart palpitations, and it wasn't the caffeine. What's $500 on a pocket camera, and a really NICE one at that?

I used to have the Canon G4. That could take some really nice pictures. That was the good news. The bad news was that the pictures were good enough that it delayed my ascension into DSLR land. It finally broke. Accidently, of course. Actual tears were shed while I shopped online for a DSLR.

My suggestion: if you get busted, tell her it's for the kids. After all, a hotshot photographer has to have kids that take photos, too, right?

Q: "Why is it already open and you are using it?"

A: "Why honey, of course, I have to test it out so I can properly teach them how to do it. There are fine idiosyncracies specific to this particular camera that require study and practice. I can't appear inept to the children!"

An innocent look on your face required. "Slightly injured" is even better.

Let us know how you make out. I'm rooting for you, sir. Go make us proud.

March 13, 2007 2:16 AM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

I didnt think that it had RAW support. I know it may be trivial, but RAW is such a nice feature to have. Just save up and grab yourself a Leica M8.

March 13, 2007 2:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

unless updated, I heard the G7 does not suport Raw files

March 13, 2007 2:21 AM  
Blogger Velu said...

Oops,

I just checked the spec's and in all honesty ...

The tilted lcd screen became a fixed one !?
( Frankly, I wouldn't buy a P&S with fixed lcd )
No infra red remote anymore.
(I loved the way I could shoot snapshots of me and the kids myself !)
The "grip" disappeared, so the "feel" changed.
( TOO big for being really handy, TOO small for a dslr "feel").
Unable to shoot raw.
And the impressive ISO 200- ISO 3200 seems to be impressive on paper only !?

Limited battery life according Dpreview ?

Personally, I would pass.

March 13, 2007 2:23 AM  
Blogger Matt said...

Don't do it david....don't turn to the dark side.

Get a Nikon D40 for about the same price. It would make for a very compact kit without sacrificing quality and handling. I MUCH prefer a viewfinder over an LCD. As an added plus, you can use your existing nikon lenses on it (except for the 80-200, cause its not AF-S).

But, if you want something that fits in your pocket, I guess go with this. Be sure to read the reviews over at dpreview, try it in your hand, and buy from a good dealer. (But you know that already)

My photography teacher just got one, I'll ask what she thinks of it.

March 13, 2007 2:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I loved my G5, but I like ny new D50 better. Its funny you mention the zigview below as the flip out rotatable LCD screen was one of the features I really miss that the G5 had and the D50 dosen't.

March 13, 2007 2:38 AM  
Anonymous Michael Connor said...

I was right there with you on this camera (and on being up extremely late) until I saw that you can't shoot in RAW (CR2) format on this camera. That would rule out this purchase 100%.

RAW is even more important on these cameras to tweak an image in post-production and you are also shooting some of the most "important" images on them. By important, I mean photos you would run into your burning house to save of your family and children (assuming you don't back up to an off-site facility).

I do like the flash shoe though.

March 13, 2007 2:41 AM  
Anonymous Andrew Smith said...

I carry my 1D + 17-40 + flash + Quantum pack with me at all times, no exceptions. I often think of getting a p&s to carry instead but every time I consider it, I decide against it for the same two reasons: (1) Having to push buttons to zoom, ugh! (2) If a situation presents itself that I need a camera for then I want my proper camera, proper lens and proper flash, not an all-in-one bought primarily because it's small.

Save your money David and buy me that 285HV I've got my eye on! Just lost out on an eBay auction for an old 285 so I think today will be the day I order a brand new HV. I've got a feeling there could be another PW on the way with it too.

March 13, 2007 2:42 AM  
Anonymous Rob said...

I don't have a G7, but i do still have my old Canon G2, and though I don't use it much at all, I haven't yet been able to part with it. When it was released, it was one of the best 4 megapixel cameras available in terms of picture quality and the cameras functions. I haven't used a G7, I couldn't bring myself to talk you out of it. ;)

March 13, 2007 2:48 AM  
Anonymous mhjamal said...

G7 is a must have prosumer camera for those who wanted to have a compact camera with a DSLR capability (it is quite useful for DSLR addict who don't want to carry around their DSLR everywhere too). I did try it out twice actually. The first time someone actually hand it to me to take his photo. I plug my 580ex speed light on it's hotshoe and it works just like DSLR. Second time was at canon promotion booth in my local shopping mall. Love the speed dial feature on the camera it works like any other canon dial. It also has a real time histogram preview on the screen and the best part is when you change the aperture or the shutter speed the screen display will preview the result instantaneously. Great stuff man!!.

It is a bit bulky compare to other compact camera however the looks is quite classic. Can't wait to get my hand on G7 again and maybe I can keep it this time.. (Grin)

March 13, 2007 3:01 AM  
Blogger toby said...

But, but... no RAW! Like a bike with no wheels.... ; )

March 13, 2007 3:20 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

I don't know the G7, but I think the upcoming Sigma DP1 is also an interesting camera. Nice (fixed-focal) lens, APS-sized Foveon sensor. It will probably be pretty expensive though...

March 13, 2007 3:32 AM  
Blogger David said...

Well you did say that you played around with it so I guess the truncated grip is not an issue for you. Did you have the chance to play with the Nikon P5000? Seems like another lust-worthy toy, especially if a firmware update comes to provide RAW.

March 13, 2007 3:38 AM  
Blogger andyfangandy said...

don't do it! 35 is not wide enough and 200 at 4.8 won't do any good! digicams are noisy! get a d40 or another speedlight instead!

March 13, 2007 3:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael Reichmann at Luminous Landscape liked it. His big beef was that it didn't have RAW shooting capabilities.

Luminous Landscape

I say get it!

March 13, 2007 4:33 AM  
Anonymous Kristof Pattyn said...

Hi David,
big thumbs up on the strobistblog, i learned so much here for the past weeks. Even put my first result on flickr last weekend.

I own the G5 (older brother) which has impressive image quality. I saw a couple of things changed in the new G7 that i didn't like. The screen can no longer be rotated. They decide to dump Rawcapability which i really liked. They changed to a smaller battery that is no longer interchangeable with the ones of my 30D. But they made it more pocketable which is nice. Because of the forementioned loss of features they will have lost some of the G-seriesusers. But Canon should not be worried with the new wave of Nikonusers coming along... LOL

Greetings from Belgium.
Kristof Pattyn

March 13, 2007 4:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've got one, and I love it....well worth the cost in portability alone....I used it all the time recently as I had injured my back and couldn't carry a full bag. Works well with the strobist kit.

The only problem is noise at 400iso and above. But at 200 and below its great.

March 13, 2007 4:41 AM  
Anonymous Jay said...

I onlyu know one thing, the night time opportunity to think about new gear is very real. For me right now it's a twin screen Mac Pro. Stop it. Must stop.

March 13, 2007 5:10 AM  
Blogger Hugh Macdonald said...

I was looking at this camera last night too....

It's a shame they dropped some of the nice features from the G6, though - the G6 took CF cards, the G7 takes SD. The G6 shot in RAW, the G7 doesn't. The G6's lens was faster, the G7's is longer.

I am still, however, similarly tempted by this one.....

March 13, 2007 5:32 AM  
Blogger Geoff said...

What's the shutterlag like?

March 13, 2007 5:32 AM  
Anonymous Tim Broyer said...

get a d50 or d40 so you can swap lenses. I had a g5 for two years. Loved it. It took great photos. Hated it when I wanted to go super wide or super close.

Jack of all trades, master of none.

March 13, 2007 5:58 AM  
Blogger Daniel said...

Hi David,

I have a Powershot G5 and a Nikon DSLR setup. I have found the G7 not worth the update from the G5... But I'm studying the Nikon P5000: As I have SB-800 and SB-600 the iTTL could be an interesting option (If I finally manage to use it :-)
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022006_nikonp5000.asp

March 13, 2007 6:31 AM  
Blogger Daniel said...

Hi David,

I have a Powershot G5 and a Nikon DSLR setup. I have found the G7 not worth the update from the G5... But I'm studying the Nikon P5000: As I have SB-800 and SB-600 the iTTL could be an interesting option (If I finally manage to use it :-)
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022006_nikonp5000.asp

March 13, 2007 6:32 AM  
Anonymous Paul said...

I don't think that lack of RAW should be a deal-breaker at all!

This camera is clearly not trying to compete with an SLR, it's simply a lovely little point-and-shoot that you can take to all the places where you just want to have fun, without worrying about all your expensive gear and lighting ratios.

I would definitely get it as a second camera, if I had the dosh. I had a Panasonic Lumix FZ20 before switching to SLR, and it was amazing for a compact (same sort of creature as the G7, with an f2.8 optically stabilised Leica 12xzoom lens etc).

Provided you accept from day one that this isn't trying to be an SLR, I bet you could have a ton of stress-free fun with it!

BTW - totally agree with you on the late night gear lust :)

March 13, 2007 7:14 AM  
Blogger Eric Holsinger said...

The upcoming Sigma looks nice, but there is no hotshoe, that I could see. Now what would the strobist do without a pocket wizard?

The Canon looks sweet... :)

March 13, 2007 7:19 AM  
Blogger Rob Leslie said...

Bad noise even at low iso settings, no RAW. Screen can't be rotated.
I can't think of any good points. The G7 seems to be a Canon Con. The Emperors new clothes.

March 13, 2007 7:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont do it... the reviews say... "Not Good" But thenagain, what P&S is good?? I dunno, for the $$ you can get other, more important stuff than this toy! I would opt to Pass on the whole P&S thing...but then again, I do own a PowerShot Pro1..lol but i bought it before i was into photography as a passion!!

March 13, 2007 7:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ef that toy! Go shoot something and stop looking at the Internet.. its Evil... EVIL I tells ya!
AAAAHHHHHHH!!!

March 13, 2007 7:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No raw mode.

End of game.

March 13, 2007 8:46 AM  
Anonymous Lee said...

How does that compare to the Nikon P5000 10 mp camera ?

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022006_nikonp5000.asp

March 13, 2007 9:05 AM  
Anonymous Bill said...

Canon G series cameras are nice. My girlfriend wanted one. When the G7 came out and I saw that it didn't shoot in RAW, I found a G6 on clearance and bought that. We're very happy with that camera even though it's 7MP.

Your site is great! I've forwarded links to the other photographers on our newspaper staff.

March 13, 2007 9:47 AM  
Anonymous Walt said...

Go get it. You can do it. If you don't like it, let the kids and wife have it. Tell her it's a gift!!!! If you do like it you can fill a few days content here telling us how wonderful it is and why. How it's the cat's meow for P&S off camera flash. Go for it. It's only money after all. You only live once!

March 13, 2007 10:08 AM  
Blogger Chris Parker said...

Sounds like not having RAW is a killer...too bad! On another topic, when can we expect your next OA? I'm jonesin' bad for my next fix!

March 13, 2007 10:20 AM  
Blogger Adam said...

Look at the G6, you lose the IS and the large screen but gain better ergonomics, CF card support, RAW and a flip-out LCD.

March 13, 2007 10:23 AM  
Blogger David said...

Working on one right now, on flavored vodka.

Total gear: Two bare speedlights, a cardboard box and a sheet of typing paper.

March 13, 2007 10:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i had the g7 since christmas time. nice camera. only serious problem is the shutter lag when using a seperate flash, on camera or not -half a second. you learn to work with it, but it is a downer.

March 13, 2007 1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A G5 was our AV dept.'s first serious digital camera. It was OK and still gets used from time to time since we went to DSLRs.

I faced the dilema of what to use for a trip to Europe. My criteria were: 1-had to have wide angle (28mm equivalent), 2-has to fit in my shirt pocket, 3-Use the same batteries as my DSLR and 4-use Compact Flash cards.

I ended up with a Canon S70, which was outdated, but got one on ebay.

The camera has RAW, but I think the nessecity of that is greatly overated for a P&S that is not your workhorse camera.

So I would start with what your planned end use of these lustful night time visions and screen for those features on dpreview.

regards

March 13, 2007 3:22 PM  
Blogger QorbeQ said...

Hey David, I reckon you ought to go and read this and this from a guy who shares your name. He seems to know what he's on about. Then go and buy some lighting kit before you go spending too much money on cameras or lenses.

;-)

March 13, 2007 5:06 PM  
Blogger Gas Lounge said...

Another vote for Sigma DP1. Get one and give us a review on it :) Seriously, G6 seems like a better choice than the G7.

March 13, 2007 6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YES!

I've had one for a while now.

The G7 does most of what a big, bulky DSLR with big bulky lenses does. The controls are a joy to use and the depth of control is awesome.

Disadvantages? Yup.
Widest lens setting is 35mm (equiv.);
No RAW mode, only jpg;
Noise is an issue even at 80 and 100 ISO where there is a small, but noticeable amount of excess noise reduction.
And of course narrow depth of field isn't possible.

But the disadvantages soon evaporate, trust me.

The thing is wonderful.

Get one!

March 13, 2007 7:51 PM  
Anonymous Northern Bogie said...

Sorry, the last 2 comments were one bloke. It appeared to swallow the first one...

March 13, 2007 8:06 PM  
Anonymous northern bogie said...

Just a snapshot - nothing special, but I thought you might like to see what it does straight out of the camera:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/northern_bogie/420574283/

(G7, ISO 100, 1/200 sec at f/4.5)

March 13, 2007 9:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the comments that "RAW is a deal breaker" (my favorite being the 'bike with no wheels' one) make me laugh. I guess a shot taken on JPG means that the shot is automatically bad and clearly unusable. Sure, raw is better, but a picture is better than no picture. And I guess that none of us have EVER submited a JPG to print....

And why buy a D40? Doesn't that defeat the point of getting a camera that is small enough to pocket and have on you at all times? (assuming thats what you want) I don't care what tiny DSLR your have or how often you carry it it's just not the same.

March 13, 2007 11:48 PM  
Blogger Carlos said...

I've owned every G Canon has made, this one stinkks... no swivel screen , no L Glass, no RAW. I'm looking at the Nikon P5000....

March 14, 2007 1:59 PM  
Blogger Daniel Williams said...

I've read all the comments on the lack of raw capabilities. I'm not sure if anyone else has commented on this or not, but let's be a little reasonable. This is still supposed to be a point and shoot camera. It's not a replacement for your SLR. Most people will use this as their vacation camera. Why would you want to shoot your vacation in RAW? The durability of the camera alone is a draw for me. I've played with Nikon's new P5000 and would much rather have the G7. There's also a big price differential though. Canon's High ISO handles much better than Nikon as well. I can't speak for the Sigma because we don't carry them in my store.

March 14, 2007 5:32 PM  
Blogger Roy Feldman said...

I shot this entirely with the G7
http://www.detroitphotographic.org/autoshow/

you can use the link if you like

March 15, 2007 6:51 AM  
Blogger Ken Tanaka said...

In response to a similar discussion of the Canon G7 at Luminous Landscape last fall I collected this gallery of G7 sample images. Since then, I've been shooting with the G7 with some regularity.

No, it's not a Canon dslr. No, it's not a Leica M8. But it's the best pocket camera I've ever used and a terrific value.

Go forth with confidence my son.

-Ken Tanaka-

March 15, 2007 11:20 AM  
Blogger mike pochwat said...

There's 64 responses, and I'm not going to read each one, so I don't know if this was mentioned or not.. but...... Thanks to the hotshoe, you can use Pocketwizards with it. That alone almost makes up for the lack of RAW function.

I've used it with PW's with great success. Especially MACRO's on low ISO, 2 or 3 flashes.. tis' a beautiful thing.

note: PW's for triggering flashes, and not the camera.

March 15, 2007 6:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't do it! You'll thank me in the morning.... Remember the pain of "buyer's remorse" is real!

March 15, 2007 6:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

forget about the G7 and get a small F31fd instead. small enuff to carry everywhere and picture quality to die for and of course a usable ISO3200 mode for non-strobe situations.

March 20, 2007 5:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have one.

used it 2 weeks, sent it back to be replaced (short in the wiring)

received the new one 3 weeks later.

although a newbie, i liked it in the first 2 weeks enough (2,500+ pics - practice shots) that the 3 weeks felt like at least 3 months.

no RAW. no this. no that. to be honest, you can't expect everything in one package that's somewhat compact, can you?

if i wanted RAW & the other "pro" features, i would've gotten a dslr. BUT, i don't take pictures well enough to justify it to myself.

imo, the g7 is probably the best (sorta) compact camera out now.

the sigma is weird looking, imo, cause the viewfinder is a tiny box that slides into the hotshoe - can't use the viewfinder & additional flash at the same time - weird.

if you want as close to dslr as possible, then probably sigma. huge sensor at 14 megapixels. looks too "plastic/toy" for me, though

some don't like the retro, but i obviously do.

in the end, i like my g7. solid metal (except for the small strip of plastic on top). it just "feels" right/solid.

i don't think it's for everyone, so i hope you either killed the urge or went out and tested it.

March 20, 2007 9:46 AM  
Blogger Mary said...

Just found your blog today so this is a late response, and you've no doubt either succumbed to temptation and purchased the G7, or else got over the lust and are holding out for (or already purchased) something else.

Anyway, thought I'd mention that I owned a Canon G2 for five years until the zoom died on me. My replacement was not the G7, as you might imagine, but the S3 IS, because I wanted the 12x superzoom. I see that there's now an S5 IS, but I'm going to wait and see if my S3 will last another five years, before upgrading. Maybe.

June 28, 2007 7:16 PM  

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