Monday, October 08, 2007

Brewer Bracket Obsoleted by New Monster Quad Bracket

Okay, so maybe the quad bracket is actually a mod of the Brewer Bracket. But can you think of a better headline to make Todd spit up his Frosted Flakes this morning?

The Quad Mod is possible only because Todd Brewer is a Guy. He is a "Guy-with-a-capital-G" because Guys over-engineer the heck out of stuff. You can spot a Guy Deck after the Cat 5 hurricane because it is the only one still standing.

Todd's "El Doble" bracket is so ridiculously strong that you can make it hold two more flashes with about $4.00 worth of hardware at Home Depot.

Find out how, and why in the world you even would want a four-flash bracket, after the jump.
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Why Would You Do This Thing?

If you have four flashes, you definitely want the ability to couple them. Consider the math:

Each speedlight puts out about 60 watt-seconds of light, no matter how much they hype the guide number specs. Adding a second flash gets you to 120 watt-seconds -- and gives you one more stop of light at full power.

Having four flashes coupled effectively gives you a 240-watt-second, quad-tube monobloc (for two extra stops of light) with some very special capabilities.

First off, you can throw everything on full-power for a 240-WS monobloc that runs on AA's and can recycle in 3.5 seconds. This is way cool. And since it is really four, 60-WS flashes firing at once, you get a flash duration of just ~1/1000th of a sec.

But the goodness does not stop there. Remember, you likely have zoom heads on those flashes, meaning that you can zoom that 240-WS 'bloc out to maybe 105mm tele for even more reach when it is needed. Or you can back it off to wide for broad coverage. You can even spread the aim of the individual heads to get near 180-degree coverage. That's near-bare-bulb coverage with focused-beam efficiency.

But you do not have to use them on 1/1 power to get the bennies. Say you needed full blast power, but would be shooting too fast to allow the flash tubes to cool between shots. You could fry a single head, or shoot quad with each head on 1/4 power for safe, all-day-long shooting.

I know of several readers who light events, such as race finish lines, where this setup would work great. And you could motor away with an average one-second recycle time for a quad setup on 1/4 power without worrying you would miss a runner.

Basically, it gives you the flexibility to shoot power, speed or beam spread in whatever combo you choose.


Easy as Pie

To make the mod, you'll need a little strip aluminum, a drill and a vise (or big pliers.) Four short 1/4x20 boltss (and six nuts) and you are in bidness. (This assumes you already have the Doble's two-flash mounting hardware and cold shoes for all of your flashes.)

I used the vise to hold the strip as I bent two sections in a quasi-"Z" shape as shown. The dimensions were about 3"-4"-3", but that will depend on the size of your speedlights. Better to err on the large size.

Use a Sharpie to line up the holes and drill a hole with a 5/16ths bit (going through aluminum is easy) and you mount the four flashes the same way you would normally mount two. You'll be drilling a hole in each section of the "Z."

Note that I used a spacer nut beneath the bracket where the flashes mount to use up space on the bolt. The shortest bolt I could find tapped the bottom of the cold shoe otherwise. The aluminum bars themselves were held onto the bracket with 1/4x20 bolts and nuts as shown.

I did not even use a hacksaw to cut the aluminum -- I used my teeth. Because I am a Guy, too.

(Actually I just held it with the vise and bent it two times quickly and it snapped right in two...)

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:: Brewer Bracket Website ::

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36 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suppose another benefit would be if you were trying to stop some fast action at a fast flash sync. Make sure you have low ambient light, and power all 4 units down to 1/16 power for precision freeze frame with extra boosts of light...

Not sure if flash duration is exact on all models, these are roughly for my 285hv's.

Dolch

October 07, 2007 11:25 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

That is mad, mad hot, David. It's just one more reason to make me sit back and reconsider buying monolights for the studio. And it will be a capital "g" Guy studio.

October 07, 2007 11:32 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

So the real question is how to sync all of these things. Can you safely daisy chain sync cables? Can you wire up one pocket wizard to fire all of these at once?

October 07, 2007 11:54 PM  
Blogger David said...

I synched one and slaved the others with the built-in SB-26 slaves. You could safely combine the flashes to one PW if they were all the same flashes and had a low sych voltage and you got the polarity consistent.

October 07, 2007 11:56 PM  
Blogger Diddlbiker said...

David, you forgot the most important reason to carry this contraption around.

Consider this scenario: your child goes to karata and has a belt promotion. "The other" photo dad whips out his speedlight 580EX and starts mounting it on his rebel.

You just look at him, smirk, and shake your head. *THEN* you pull out the light stand with the quad-setup.

Cost of aluminium strips: $4
Cost of four SB-28's: $400
Look on other parents' face: priceless!

October 08, 2007 12:37 AM  
Anonymous Andrew Smith said...

Interesting mod but if you need that much light then I think it would be cheaper and easier to use a studio strobe with a portable power pack or a small generator. Actually the studio strobe could be lighter and cheaper, not to mention more powerful.

October 08, 2007 12:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

does anyone else think this looks like some sort of weapon?

October 08, 2007 2:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i wonder about the effect of having one zoomed a 105 one at 70mm one at 35mm and one zoomed to 24mm?

October 08, 2007 3:21 AM  
Anonymous Karl Otto Henriksen said...

Great one David. Keep em coming.

October 08, 2007 4:44 AM  
Anonymous Jeff Whiteside said...

...and to think I believed the only drawback to Strobist-style was that you couldn't light up a canyon. Let me guess...the octo-flash monster bracket? I gotta say, I'd love to see it. :)

October 08, 2007 4:45 AM  
Blogger Vincent said...

I'm sure Paramount would be able to setup a 4-ended sync cord ( really 5-ended with the PW plug) They custom fit cords all the time.

October 08, 2007 6:36 AM  
Anonymous t.m. said...

would it be possible to sync them sequentially using one (or more?) of the new ultra-PW's? I'm thinking of a strobe effect, 4 flashes spaced out in one shutter opening.

October 08, 2007 7:20 AM  
Anonymous David said...

How to trigger these beasts? My problem....

I am considering using several Canon flashes for event photography. I want fast recycle, for use at a high frame rate, rather than uber power.

Whilst I have 4 PW multimax, so could either speed cycle them or pop them together I loose high-speed sync.

The flashes would be above and behind the camera, so line-of-slight is somewhat tricky.

Could I cable one and get that to trigger the others as master?

October 08, 2007 7:35 AM  
Blogger Baile said...

That plants all kinds of ideas, even without four strobes or a Brewer Bracket. Thanks for the seed!

One question, though: You say to use a 9/16ths bit. Isn't that awfully big? Over 1/2 inch? Is that a typo for 9/32 or 5/16?

Bill

October 08, 2007 7:40 AM  
Blogger David said...

Oops -- You are right. Meant 5/16ths. Thanx. -DH

October 08, 2007 8:00 AM  
Anonymous Mark said...

It would be interesting to try "sculpting" with the flash depth of field. Say, try zooming one flash head at 105mm at 1/8 power and and 1/1 at 24mm (or would they equal out?)

or you could gel 2 blue and 2 red...or change the direction of each flash head, one pointing left, one pointing right, one up, and use bounce cards like foamcore to create a type of ringlight effect (in theory!) from a different angle other then the camera.

And another challenging but cool thing to try if possible would be to have some sort of automatic switcher that would change the frequency of the pocketwizard output, having each speedlight on different channels and after every shot it changes channels so your recycle time would be almost instantaneous!

October 08, 2007 8:27 AM  
Anonymous Luke said...

Unless you have four flashes lying around, it seems like it would be easier/cheaper to get a studio flash... Is this crazy thinking?

On the other hand if you could get your lens in the middle you would have a massive ring flash.

October 08, 2007 9:08 AM  
Blogger Mike S. said...

You Guys are whack, the lot of you. We are beginning to get into johnson-comparison territory here fellas (with apologies to the many representatives of the saner gender found browsing here.)

You can pick up a 200 ws or 400 ws Lumedyne pack and head on that auction site for not much more than this rig will cost, and have more power and about the same full-power recycle time with no chance to melt anything down. We're talking about "WSUF" here: Watt Second Utility Factor, the amount of power per unit of cost, weight, geekiness, inconvenience, and/or bother. WSUF is low with this device, and high with the Lumedyne. (Stone the heretic!)

Of course, if you already have the flash units anyway, this will leverage your existing investment. And little Billy's dad, the guy with the prosumer digicam, the manufacturer-name neckstrap, and the mouth running over with photo-wisdom, will indeed be envious--not inconsiderable benefits.

Gotta say, I am intrigued by some of the sequential-firing possibilities. I'm thinking: 4 flashes, 4 PW's, a Gorgon's-head thicket of cables, and a hefty extension pole to hold the whole shebang. Like a stadium floodlight assembly.

I think this will get unfavorable scrutiny from Homeland Security.

October 08, 2007 9:28 AM  
Blogger David said...

And another challenging but cool thing to try if possible would be to have some sort of automatic switcher that would change the frequency of the pocketwizard output, having each speedlight on different channels and after every shot it changes channels so your recycle time would be almost instantaneous!

The feature you refer to is available on the PW MM and is called speedcycler. A Rx PW MM is connected to each flash ( maximum of four PW MM ) with each MM set to a different zone A, B, C, D on the same channel 17, 18, 19 etc.

Then each time the Tx MM triggers the receive MM will go off in sequence. The idea being that in the time to go round the loop the flash has had time to recharge. A recharge lock-out can be enabled on the Rx MM.

However...

From my own tests, albeit it three flashes it is quicker to have all three flashes fire together at a lower power than one-at-a-time at a higher power. Also needs less PW units.

From my own point of view, the use of PW fixes me to the sync speed of my camera, so I require a method to trigger the uber flash maintaining Canon's E-TLL functionality.

October 08, 2007 9:51 AM  
Blogger efrudd said...

No one has yet mentioned the added benefit of different color gels on each strobe.

Just think of the color combinations that could be created. ;o)

Eric

P.S. Don't forget to wear your Men In Black sunglasses when you use this thing.

October 08, 2007 9:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With a big diffuser sheet it would work great as "El Gigante" softbox for outdoor fashion add a little under exposure to the background and OMG *drools a lot*....and it would be "el gigante doble"

As always thanks for the great ideas :)

October 08, 2007 11:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why stop at four?

I'm disappointed, I thought you were real Guys...

October 08, 2007 12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So David, I would like to see some pictures FROM this thing when you have time :)

October 08, 2007 2:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

shouldn't be overly complicated to get them to cycle between the 4 flashes. 2-bit incrementor to a 2-bit demuxer. Then maybe some !not chips to get the voltages right. I'll bet you don't even need to debounce anything. BTW using regular TTL chips is an easy way to voltage buffer each flash and wire them all up to one PW.

October 08, 2007 4:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We're talking about "WSUF" here: Watt Second Utility Factor, the amount of power per unit of cost, weight, geekiness, inconvenience, and/or bother."

geekiness *adds* to the WSUF, right?

in which case, any home made monstrosity as this.. trumps all.

October 08, 2007 4:19 PM  
Blogger James said...

dave, any chance this would work well on the ball fields?

October 08, 2007 4:47 PM  
Blogger Diddlbiker said...

"You can pick up a 200 ws or 400 ws Lumedyne pack and head on that auction site for not much more than this rig will cost, and have more power and about the same full-power recycle time with no chance to melt anything down."

Which of course begs the question: why stop there? Think of the Frankenflash that you can create with four Lumedyne packs...

October 08, 2007 7:14 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

The idea for this bracket is great. I have times where I could use 4 flashes, each in their own position, but sometime you've got to double them up to get the power.

The only thing I don't understand at all... who would pay $75 for a simple bracket? Not to knock the dude who made the original, but I've made stuff like that after looking through a "misc. used stuff" bin at a camera shop. And, spent less than $10 doing so.

October 08, 2007 11:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike S. said...

"... You can pick up a 200 ws or 400 ws Lumedyne pack and head on that auction site for not much more than this rig will cost, and have more power and about the same full-power recycle time with no chance to melt anything down. We're talking about "WSUF" here: Watt Second Utility Factor, the amount of power per unit of cost, weight, geekiness, inconvenience, and/or bother. WSUF is low with this device, and high with the Lumedyne. (Stone the heretic!)

Of course, if you already have the flash units anyway, this will leverage your existing investment.
... "


- Lumedyne 400ws Basic Extra Fast Pack: (Adorama)

Price: $1,049,95
Weight: 3.2 Lbs.

Times 4, + heads?

You rich powerlifter?

(-:

- ojb

October 09, 2007 12:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Course, you could say:

Nah, just one will do, don't need 1000 or 1600 ws ...

But in that case, given you already have three or four flashes in your gear pack, (don't you ?),
then why not?

ojb

October 09, 2007 12:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really like my Brewer bracket - it really is a guys' bracket and is worth the money for those of us who can't always find the time to cobble together something at the hardware store. Besides, it looks really good!

As for 4 flashes - I think I'll buy an Alien Bee or White Lightning mono light with battery instead. It will be faster to set up and I only need to reliably trigger one light instead of four.

October 09, 2007 6:14 AM  
Anonymous Bob A. said...

The Brewer Bracket is an excellent piece of gear! The only con is that it creates a deadly case of "FAS" (flash acquisition syndrome) ;-( I now have 6 SB-80dx’s in my kit with another Brewer bracket on the way. I have made custom battery packs for each pair of SB-80dx’s using the low voltage Quantum cables. This is still WAY smaller than using Commercial heads and I only take what I need. Thanks Todd for the EXCELLENT Bracket!

October 09, 2007 9:38 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

I'm the event guy David mentions shooting running race finish lines with a dual 285 setup and Pocket Wizards utilizing the Speedcycler feature. My bracket was made by Al Jacobs. www.aljacobs.com

Sunday I was shooting a race and was wishing I had 2 more lights, but on another setup on the opposite side of the finish line to evenly distribute across the gap.

October 09, 2007 9:41 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

I'm the events guy David metions. I'm using a bracket fab-ed by Al Jacobs (www.aljacobs.com) which holds 2 Vivitar 285s and 2 Pocket Wizards. The PWs are set to fire one after the other using PW's Speedcycler feature. The whole idea is to give them time to recycle and not overheat as runners cross the finish line at running and triathlon races.

But I DO like the 4x head design David shows. I could shoot them in pairs and knock the M flash setting even lower giving a faster recycle time. I have also been considering a duplicate rig on the opposite side of the finish line to balance the coverage.

October 09, 2007 9:47 PM  
Blogger Matt said...

Back in the late 1970s/early 1980s we used to photography friends' weddings 'cause everyone was too poor to hire real photogs. Our setup used four Honeywell Strobonars out of an umbrella. The Strobonars went into a piece of 1X6 through which four handle-sized holes had been drilled. One had a PC cord to the camera (a Rolleicord), the other three were AC-slaved. It was a nightmare, since onlookers would take photos and fire three of the Strobonars. They probably got real nice lighting on those snapshots though. Those Strobonars had twice the output of a Vivitar 283/285, so you can imagine that this was a lot of light! Funny thing is, all those people are still married.

October 11, 2007 11:24 AM  
Anonymous Jeffrey Friedl said...

Is there a mounting bracket such that you can mount that quad unit on top of the camera? If you thought whipping out the stand with four flashes would wilt the other dads, just imagine when all four are mounted on-camera! :-)

October 14, 2007 5:15 AM  

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