By Request: Brendan O'Shea's Post Production
Several people asked for some details on Brendan O'Shea's Photoshop work on the cool band photo featured on Friday. Brendan was kind enough to check in and supply the added info:
Says Brendan:
"I got quite a shock this morning when I checked my inbox. A few people have expressed interest in the post production, although it never works for me if the lighting's not a particular way.
The front light is a shoot through umbrella high enough to light everyone in the group. The backlighting is two more strobes, usually just outside the frame. Once again I go to considerable effort to make sure everyone is lit. This involves juggling positions and placement of subjects before I can take any shots at all. If even one person in the group is unlit, it's not going to work.
In the shot above, there was simply no way to light everyone and have the strobes out of shot due to the narrowness of the alley, so I decided I would hide the right hand strobe in a doorway as best I could, and erase it later if it was too obtrusive. This lane was a through road in the city with traffic, so experimentation wasn't much of an option.
As for post, in this case everything was done in Photoshop, but it was nearly there out of the camera.
Here's what I did with this shot: Cloned out everything that didn't help the shot (cigarette butts, onlookers in the background if there were any, lighting equipment) then I cranked up the Radius on the Unsharp Mask, but kept the amount fairly low. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Really depends on the lighting.
Duplicated that layer, desaturated that new layer and changed the mode to overlay. Changed the opacity until it looked OK. Then I burnt in some highlights on her hair and pants to make them appear shinier. And that's it. Ten minutes tops.
I agree wholeheartedly with those who suggested a less Photoshopped look. I actually prefer the unretouched version (I'll put it up on flick as soon as I can) but when the average consumer can come up with some pretty great photos, I find I have to go a few steps further to give them a reason to hire me. Even if it means crossing the 'good taste' line.
I have no doubt shots like these will become this decade's version of mullets and platform shoes, but for now, and for a really good laugh in thirty years time, they're a lot of fun."
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Thanks much for the info, Brendan!
Says Brendan:
"I got quite a shock this morning when I checked my inbox. A few people have expressed interest in the post production, although it never works for me if the lighting's not a particular way. The front light is a shoot through umbrella high enough to light everyone in the group. The backlighting is two more strobes, usually just outside the frame. Once again I go to considerable effort to make sure everyone is lit. This involves juggling positions and placement of subjects before I can take any shots at all. If even one person in the group is unlit, it's not going to work.
In the shot above, there was simply no way to light everyone and have the strobes out of shot due to the narrowness of the alley, so I decided I would hide the right hand strobe in a doorway as best I could, and erase it later if it was too obtrusive. This lane was a through road in the city with traffic, so experimentation wasn't much of an option.
As for post, in this case everything was done in Photoshop, but it was nearly there out of the camera.
Here's what I did with this shot: Cloned out everything that didn't help the shot (cigarette butts, onlookers in the background if there were any, lighting equipment) then I cranked up the Radius on the Unsharp Mask, but kept the amount fairly low. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Really depends on the lighting.
Duplicated that layer, desaturated that new layer and changed the mode to overlay. Changed the opacity until it looked OK. Then I burnt in some highlights on her hair and pants to make them appear shinier. And that's it. Ten minutes tops.
I agree wholeheartedly with those who suggested a less Photoshopped look. I actually prefer the unretouched version (I'll put it up on flick as soon as I can) but when the average consumer can come up with some pretty great photos, I find I have to go a few steps further to give them a reason to hire me. Even if it means crossing the 'good taste' line.
I have no doubt shots like these will become this decade's version of mullets and platform shoes, but for now, and for a really good laugh in thirty years time, they're a lot of fun."
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Thanks much for the info, Brendan!
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17 Comments:
Awesome and funny to boot! Thanks for sharing.
Good stuff! I can't wait to try this out for myself! Thanks for sharing this!!!
I reaaallly wanted to know what was the post-production for this!
I'm gonna try it out myself now.
Thanks a lot!
Thanks, it's interesting to see what people do in Photoshop. I can't seem to bring myself to do more than take out blemishes, fix the colour and fix the sharpness anymore. As soon as I start really changing things I worry that people might thing I am trying to mask a bad picture. Yet some people can really use photoshopping to a good photo's advantage.
Cheers
M
It's one thing to appreciate an image for what it is, but to those who aim to learn and improve, shuch information is a godsend. No doubt many who see your pictures, Brendan, have been trying to reverse-engineer your PS techniques as well as your lighting for some time now!
I share the same view, actually; my preference is to get everything as close to perfect as possible at the time of capturing a picture. The majority of my work is fast-turnaround for my clients so it is often something of a luxury to have time for such post work. That said, we should all make the time and effort to try new techniques in order to push ourselves forward (whether this be for pleasure or profit).
Thanks again, and I would urge everyone to check out Brendan's Flickr photostream for more inspiration.
Thanks for the informative post. Are you getting a lot of client requests for this particular look?
-Ken
www.KenLopezPhoto.com
Orlando Photographer
hey Mike, don't worry too much about what people think about your pictures, or eventually you'll stop wanting to take them. It's supposed to be fun! Make the pictures YOU like. Photoshop is no more inherently unethical than using a graduated ND filter.
Just my 2 cents
R
I must say, I don't like the final picture at all. It looks like HDRI to me, and I hate HDRI. It looks so artificial.
I think this shot is incredible and like Brendan said, the technique in post is as thought about as him chosing his lighting and camera settings and that is what makes this good. I really like it a lot and appreciate his wisdom. I have tried a similar technique before but this seems easier and I am definitely going to give it a try.
Thanks again. M
To Anon,
I don't think it looks HDR at all... yes it looks a little produced but maybe that's the look he was going for... I don't think it was meant to look totally natural.
Good job!
thanks for sharing !
i agree, in an attempt to separate oneself from the masses these days since above average photos are abundant, some good post-production work can give the work a good boost. this type of post-production is of course especially suitable for cd-cover type work or music related in any case.
reminds me a bit of anton corbijn ! i love his work. now, that would be someone to feature on strobist.com but probably next to impossible to get.... whatcha think mr. hobby?
Opinions are like *ssholes EVERYONE has one...so here is mine...This photo was very well thought out and lit and the photoshop work after was obviously tailored to the lighting and the wishes of the subjects. So liking it isn't a factor... It was a great performance of both subject and photographer...Dang I sound smart huh? www.thomsenphotography.net
I agree with his comment about how this look will scream "2008" or The Web 2.0 years, in awhile.
But I also agree you have to step up the game to outpace the BestBuy pros.
Very nice to hear someone doing this fake look admit it is likely a fad. Sad to hear of photogs compromising taste to win bids. In a world where everyone has a digital camera and can add textures and actions and PS tricks to mask poorly taken shots, where are we headed?
Brendan knows how to light and shoot, but falls into populism here. Stand strong with the work you believe in (and hopefully you have taste) and the work will follow.
Great info. Yeah, the "before" photo should be nice to see and consider also. Please post, bro.
And, there's nothing wrong with mullets and platforms either. Not if you can help it. "____"
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Very nicely done! I appreciate photographers, and you Mr. Strobist, for the willingness to share in your creative processes. Well done!
"then I cranked up the Radius on the Unsharp Mask, but kept the amount fairly low. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Really depends on the lighting. "
To add to this, this is often called "Local Contrast Enhancement". This technique is what makes the "Clarity" slider in Adobe Camera Raw work:
http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Photoshop/10.0/help.html?content=WS975B3879-E20C-4a21-B66B-9E0489F40562.html
http://www.oreillynet.com/digitalmedia/blog/2007/07/lightroom_11_the_clarity_tool_1.html
http://photoshopnews.com/2007/05/31/about-camera-raw-41
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