Thursday, May 20, 2010

Carlos Serrao Checks In


The after-the-fact walkthru of the Wired Magazine behind-the-scenes pictures of Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg earlier this month prompted a slew of comments.

Guess who stopped by to answer questions, provide some color and parry the thrusts of a few armchair quarterbacks?

Info straight from the horse's mouth, inside.
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Carlos Serrao's ears must have been burning, after the long stream of comments the BTS walk-thru generated. So he left two lengthy comments, which I have combined below.

I doubted many people would see them there, at this point, buried under the post. So I thought they deserved bringing up to the front.


Says Carlos:
First off, I'd like to say thanks to David and the Strobist for posting this. He is a excellent teacher and I have to say, a super sleuth!

David's breakdown is pretty spot on. [ED NOTE: Shucks...] And most of you readers asked very intelligent and insightful questions.

I'm totally happy to answering any questions your blog readers might have on this assignment.

 Unfortunately, there are some questions or comments that seem to come from somewhere else than technical. I am aware that tastes differ, so to those of you that disliked the photos I am sorry.

Sometimes an assignment is just an assignment, and we do the best we can under the circumstances and direction. What's important in this case is that the client is pleased with the results.



I was not aware nor did I ask Wired.com to post behind the scenes photos of myself or my crew, and in turn be reposted again. Had I known the manner in which my dress would be scrutinized on the internet, I would have declined being photographed.

I am a very low key person who doesn't like to call attention to myself, only my work. I keep my photo site free of any personal information, because I would like to be hired for the merit of the work. I can assure you, any contacts I have made have been from persistence promotional material and the photography, not from attending parties or personal contacts. 



To James B: [ED NOTE: James asked if the results could have been achieved with less gear] We had very limited time with these subjects, and I can assure you Bill Gates have very little interest or patience in having a photo taken -- especially if the main subject of the article is not about his amazing foundation.

That being said, with subjects like Mr Gates, I found that you have to have your bases covered with gear and be ready to improvise if the timing of these two subjects changes at the last minute, which in this case it did. And also be ready (as one of the smarter readers pointed out) for little things like popping circuit breakers, digital camera lockups, etc.

I'm not so sure why having more gear than what is needed in case something goes down -- especially in a shoot that lasts 5 minutes -- would be a bad thing for James B.

James, I do not own all that gear -- it's rented, and then billed back to the client, who wants to make sure that the bases are covered. 



To Gettheshot and Tim, Re safety and sandbags: You guys are obviously grip guys with ample knowledge on how everything should be set up. True, not every stand has sandbags. However, for us we find that using a Mafer clamp J-hook and hooking the heavy powerpacks to that creates an adequate weight for strobes, especially in a windless environment.

We find that we have to adapt to each situation as it presents itself. Also as much as I love using Broncolor, I had to make sure in this set up I had enough battery powered packs. And the Profoto 7b's are a bit more reliable in our experience. Broncolor wins hands down when we are looking for a fast flash duration. But in this case we did not need it. We feel it's okay to mix and match.



To Jim, Re shooting on MAC for a Bill Gates shoot: I know! I was aware of that going into it. I asked the magazine to ask his people if that was going to be a problem since we don't own (or can't rent) the hardware or the software to run it on a PC. I assumed that I was maybe going to have to shoot to card, and load the card into the mac in another room.

Mr. Gates' people assured me it was not a problem. So, no problem with Bill, shouldn't be a problem with anyone else I suppose.



To Tom Meyer: Thanks for your comment. I'm sorry I have offended your artistic sensibilities with average photography. I wasn't aware I was a "gangster" until I read this post…

Also, I wasn't aware that you secretly attended the shoot, knew all the logistics that where involved, and thus would have such amazing insight on how anyone else could do it so much better.

That being said, I look forward to getting a link to your site to learn how to (a) reduce my amount of gear. (b) dress according for a shoot, no matter the circumstances (c) light and compose (d) deal with unwilling and rushed subjects for cover shoots. Please send link my way! [ED NOTE: Zing.]



To Joaquin Andrade: I wanted to give you info on how to get the contacts for a gig like this. First, open up the offending Wired magazine you have in your hands to the masthead section. Note the office address and look under Photo Editor.

Send that person a promotional mailer or a link to your website. Repeat numerous times until they call your portfolio in for a look.

I hope this helps, it worked for me. Also, I wish I had access to your site before hand, not only could I have seen how it's done, but I could have also asked you to point me in the direction of all the other Bill Gates actual sitting portraits out there, because I could not find any recent ones before this shoot to reference.

Link to Joaquin's Flickr stream: Great work and good luck!



Thanks again Strobist -- I wish this site had been up years ago when I was starting out! it's awesome!



Sincerely,

Carlos

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No, thank you, Carlos, for stopping by and giving us the Q&A. (And, um, for the restraint...) For an original post that started out with very little overt content, this has morphed into one of my favorite exchanges in quite a while.

Again, if you have not, I recommend looking at some of Carlos' other work for context. It has a firm spot in the "inspiration" folder in my browser.

It's easy to see why Wired wanted him for the Gates/Zuckerberg photo, if they were looking for a photog with a unique vision.
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Related: Original Walk-Thru post

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40 Comments:

Blogger Tommy said...

Dear Carlos,

Well played.

Thomas.

May 20, 2010 12:26 AM  
Blogger Rob E said...

Awesome response! Carlos definitely showed some poise with that one, and a pretty sharp wit. Carlos, if you're reading this, keep doing what you're doing however the heck you want to do it. It's working. Anyone that wants to armchair quarterback needs to show an image on par with your Jack Nicholson smoke rings shot. I doubt there'll be many takers on that one.

May 20, 2010 12:30 AM  
Blogger Eric Schmiedl said...

Carlos: I loved your portrait work, and I envy the amount of time you got with Mr. Gates... I too didn't find any recent portraits of the man to reference, and your Wired cover didn't hit the stands until a day or two after my shoot! http://bit.ly/angIOY

Enjoy, armchair quarterbacks.

May 20, 2010 12:52 AM  
Blogger Frederick said...

Carlos (and David),

You guys crack me up. Thanks for making it fun!

May 20, 2010 1:11 AM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

Thanks for bringing this back up. Down to earth and to the point. Love it. :)

May 20, 2010 2:08 AM  
Blogger R said...

RE: The simplicity of the photo's look - of course, its going to be conservative (very). This is a corperate headshot for a techie magazine of the crowned king of geekdom. You are not going to get Gates into a poke-a-dotted speedo showing chest hair. Ain't happening no way. I was amazed that Carlos captured a smile and a glint in the eye vs cold distant stare. That's why I suspect he was hired - get the subject comfortable in a very short amount of time and get it right the first time. No pressure here.

Me, being in a proffession where do-overs are not an option and second-guessing is rampant, I think Carlos did a solid job.

R. Young

May 20, 2010 2:44 AM  
Blogger mj said...

Nice work, Carlos! Very good handling of not so adequate comments.

Best regards,
Nikita

May 20, 2010 3:54 AM  
Blogger FireFly Jamie said...

Hahahaha...Carlos is officially my favorite person in the world.

Thanks for taking the time to comment on the peanut gallery. Thanks for sharing some knowledge. And thanks for keeping it "Gangsta"?

jaime

May 20, 2010 3:59 AM  
Blogger Lux Umbra said...

Carlos,
I'll just ditto the comments of others so far and say "well said". I have a lot of people question the way I work without understanding the context. How I photograph a friend or someone I am paying as a model is completely different than how things work on a paying gig. Until someone has worked with an art director and a client over her/his shoulder, I don't think they can possibly understand that.
best,
lux

May 20, 2010 8:22 AM  
Blogger Wink of an eye Digital said...

Well done Carlos.
This reminded me of an old Woody Allen movie where Woody and his date are waiting in line to get into the theater and were stuck behind a guy talking trash and gutting a new book by Norman Mailer (Ithink)...Woody spars with the guy but to no avail the guys talks as if he knew exactly what Norman was talking about in his book.

Woody comes out of character and pulls Norman Mailer into the scene...Norman tells they guy you have no idea what your saying and you didn't even pick up on the point of the entire book


Woody looks a the camera and says:

"Don't you wish life was like this?"

May 20, 2010 9:08 AM  
Blogger Jose Saenz said...

Oooh, they got served ;).

Carlos, amazing work on your site...bookmarked for sure. Great stuff, man.

May 20, 2010 10:13 AM  
Blogger ebzr said...

Carlos and David,
Your art speaks by itself way over if you wear shorts or a t shirt to work. I don't see the point of wearing tie and suit if your images are under par. Creativity should always be first.
On Carlos aproach, is easy to think in other ways to takle it after its done and with plenty of time, VIP clients tend to give you just minutes to acomplish your shoot and will not have a second chance to retake any pictures.
Congrats to both of you

May 20, 2010 10:36 AM  
Blogger Raleigh Beringer said...

Carlos,

I think the BTS shot said it all. You looked so in thought anticipating every scenario. Its refreshing to see someone of your caliber call us out, and throw down the challenge to better ourselves. Sometimes we get so caught up with our own greatness that we fail to see when we are in the presence of it. I'm sure you did not get to where you are by pinging on another's work but rather studying it. Hopefully you will still be willing to let the occasional BTS shot leak out in the future.

David,

I could see from your comments on the original post that you knew there was more to it once your "In the hot seat". Keep up the good work and refreshing insights. Your humbleness should be an example to us all.

May 20, 2010 10:37 AM  
Blogger Toby said...

Carlos,
You did a phenomenal job.

May 20, 2010 10:48 AM  
Blogger Hipporage said...

Ha ha. Carlos Serrao 1, Snippy blog posters 0.
I have had your site open for days now. I love your work, and love the attitude here!
Man that felt good to read.

May 20, 2010 11:23 AM  
Blogger keatonandrew said...

Gotta love when people rip into things from the comfort of their computer without having a clue about what the situation was.

Anyone can copy but to deliver in a real, live situation is a heck of a lot different.

May 20, 2010 11:43 AM  
Blogger Patrick Cavan Brown said...

hahahahahahaha
hehehehehehehe

I love it when talented people give s!@# back... Thank you, Carlos!

May 20, 2010 4:16 PM  
Blogger Nathanael said...

Ha! Very well done, Mr. Serrao, very well done. The fact that you addressed the comments with such politeness instantly makes you the better photographer.

May 20, 2010 6:09 PM  
Blogger stan chung said...

Awww.

Some just jealous and/or didn't understand getting a Bill Gates as a subject[or anybody really famous] is a notice as 'you have arrived'. [though Mr. Carlos has 'arrived' earlier]

Haha-

It's hard enough to get a local celebrity sit for you let alone somebody who would lose money if he stopped in traffic to pick up a hundred dollar bill!

May 21, 2010 12:23 AM  
Blogger Frozen Forever Photography said...

Can you say checkmate? Carlos, well done and keep up the good work. You are doing something right and many of use thank you for sharing any info. Some people need to just realize that they are lucky to have a site like strobist. Getting so much free info in one place is unheard of in any industry. People like that end up ruining everything for the rest of the world. Its really sad because those people dont even understand what I am talking about.

thanks again David for everything.

Grady
www.frozenforever.com

May 21, 2010 12:41 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

Great response.

I had not read the comments from the earlier post, but I did go back to read them after Carlos' reply. It'll be the the last time I read the comments on this site. David, your writing and information is great and I really appreciate it. But many of the ready (or commenters) are obnoxious.

I'm am trying to break into photography professionally - and while I'm in art school, the internet is an invaluable source of information. Chances are that at least one working pro will be more cautious and less likely to to have behind-the-scenes information published.

May 21, 2010 1:09 AM  
Blogger Ryan S. said...

Thanks for posting this. I usually don't read through all of the comments on here.

And I don't want to start any e-arguments, it's really refreshing to have a working, successful pro provide some tongue-in-cheek responses to the photogs that pretend they know everything about every scenario and try to tell people what THEY would have done. Your wife and layman friends may be impressed when you spit out technical knowledge and opinions; the internet is NOT.

May 21, 2010 1:24 AM  
Blogger chris said...

Hahaha well said Carlos!!!

May 21, 2010 7:25 AM  
Blogger Alex said...

Dear Carlos

Zing.. Indeed, you told them!

I actually stopped reading the previous post because of all the bad mouthing. Nice to see that you're involved.
Thanks alot (for both the response and the pics :) )

Alex

May 21, 2010 9:16 AM  
Blogger Joaquin said...

Dear Mr. Serrao, I sincerely want to apologize for my previous comment about the Wired cover photo shoot, I visited your website and your images are really amazing, I could not even compare my images with the kind of work you do. When I made that comment, I think I was talking out of frustration and envy, I lost my job 9 months ago, I've been sending out my resume and samples of my work to so many people, I know these are not the best of times, but not getting any response, at least as a courtesy call from any of the people I have tried to contact, makes you feel worthless. Unfortunately the day I saw this posting on Strobist, I was having a really bad day and made a stupid comment.

Again Mr Serrao, my most sincere apology, all I can say now is that you really do outstanding work.

Joaquin

May 21, 2010 10:25 AM  
Blogger brad said...

QUOTE: "To James B: [ED NOTE: James asked if the results could have been achieved with less gear] ..... found that you have to have your bases covered with gear and be ready to improvise if the timing of these two subjects changes at the last minute, which in this case it did......"

I love this, because it sounds like just about every shoot in my life! My assistants always bitch & moan about how much gear I carry and wonder why I insist on carrying back-ups for my back-ups...I just tell them that when they're getting the jobs, they can carry as little or as much equipment as they see fit...but for me, I have always felt better with the security blanket feeling i get know that if a camera goes down or a capacitor blows up I can always reach for a replacement. And because of that, I've never had to come up with a lame excuse for my editor that we screwed up a shot due to an equipment failure!

BT

May 21, 2010 11:33 AM  
Blogger James B said...

It took me a few moments to catch on that the "James B" Carlos was reacting to was me. My comment was never meant as a criticism of his setup. He's an accomplished pro.

The context of my comment was the original Strobist motto: "less gear, better light." Many, if not most, readers of Strobist are endeavoring to get the most out of the least.

With all behind-the-scenes posts of big-budget shoots, I'm always thinking: could I get something close to this with the gear I own? How would I do it?

With this specific "Wired" cover shot, I think many Strobists could come very close.

That's not a criticism of Carlos in any way for using more gear.

May 21, 2010 12:24 PM  
Blogger golftooter said...

In rehab work we used to talk about the "deviancy hypothesis" which states that the more qualified the individual the more abnormal can be the the accepted attire or the less qualified the individual, the more they need to look the part.

I wish more would look at the result rather than the attire worn to accomplish it.

May 21, 2010 10:07 PM  
Blogger duva said...

if its been said here. then not enough...
the pic IS really kickass. it might be subtle. but its got a great angle and form. (shooting two people asymetrical is not easy) and carlos nailed the head tilt on gates.

May 22, 2010 5:07 AM  
Blogger jedrek said...

Regarding dress sense at shoots, as someone who has worked in advertising for over ten years, I know that clients expect creatives to look (what they think as) creative. I've seen tattooed employees, who work in other departments, pulled into client meetings just to sit there and seem "edgy".

May 22, 2010 8:37 AM  
Blogger Tim said...

Nice response Carlos. If you're ever in need of a lighting tech (or soon to be digital tech) on the east coast, give me a shout!

May 23, 2010 9:37 AM  
Blogger Kurt said...

Don't care if its buried.

F*ing-A, GO CARLOS!

While the final edit wasn't my style either, I respect it, and reading a couple of those armchair posts really just shows how little those people know when it comes to the BIG stuff.

I've only had the luck and fortitude to assist some BIGGIES (BEBE, Martini & Rossi, a couple more) and what Carlos is doing is spot on for what all skilled photographers at that level do.

Don't even get me started on dissing how he dressed, give me a break!

I hope whoever said anything about his attire was a f*ing wardrobe stylist or you can f*ing zip it.

May 23, 2010 11:47 PM  
Blogger Leigh McMullen said...

Carlos, love your response, but forget the Wired shoot, I'd pay good money for a walk through of how you did the Nike Swim photos on your site!

May 24, 2010 12:55 PM  
Blogger ces said...

I dont usually post comments because I just like to admire and take in, but in this case I will.

Carlos you are a better man than me.
I would have just written "wankers"

May 25, 2010 5:57 AM  
Blogger John Rennison said...

Two Thumbs up to Carlos! (More if I had them).

Clothes? Hell you are wearing some, what the hell else matters? REsults speak for themselves!

May 26, 2010 4:27 PM  
Blogger Norby said...

Kudos to Joaquin, BTW, for having the courtesy to return and apologize to Carlos, regardless of whether he'll ever see it or not. It's a rough world out there, and I'm happy that this isn't my line of work...

-/\/

May 27, 2010 2:23 AM  
Blogger Nelly Nandes said...

Were people really commenting on his dress and setup??? Seriously??? WOW. Some folks have way too much time on their hands, lol. I agree with what Carlos said, as long as the client is happy everything else is a moot point.

May 28, 2010 6:30 PM  
Blogger Tom Meyer said...

Here's my second attempt to respond: I said *nothing* about your clothes. I said the *palette* (of the photo!) was gangsta, not yer pants. jeeze.

I was trying to state my opinion that a yellow green skin tone is perhaps best used on more edgy characters than Bill Gates. Wasn't clear enuff, evidently.

I also would like to say (if David will post this) I believe that you (amongst those other photographers I mentioned) could have gotten better images with less production and a less sterile location (is that a meeting room?). I was *trying* to say that too much production hoopla often gets in the way of quality results. So much for intentions. Did you noticed I commented on the large amounts of gear, money and *TALENT* on that set? Apparently not.

The link you asked for is twmeyer.com, but don't look for career advise or any other witticisms. It's just pictures. jeeze(x3)... t

May 28, 2010 9:38 PM  
Blogger Harrythephot said...

Tom. WTF is a "gangsta palette"?

All I saw were negatives and no positives at all.

Nice images on your site BTW, although the blog was annoying.

"jeeze"

June 02, 2010 3:52 AM  
Blogger Tom Meyer said...

re: Gangsta Palette: "I was trying to state my opinion that a yellow green skin tone is perhaps best used on more edgy characters than Bill Gates. Wasn't clear enuff, evidently. " Wasn't clear enough, evidently.

yeah, the blog annoys me, too... t

June 04, 2010 11:54 PM  

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