Tuesday, June 01, 2010

LumoPro LP160: Quad Sync v.2.0

UPDATE: 2013: -- The LP160 has been retired, and replaced with the better-in-every-way LumoPro LP180.
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Moishe Appelbaum and the folks at MPEX were never ones to leave well enough alone. Building on the sold-out LP120, the original quad-sync flash, LumoPro today announced the arrival of the more powerful LumoPro LP160 -- a second version borne of user feedback from the original model.

It's a lotta flash, for notta lotta cash. Details after the jump.
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This is the reason those LumoPro LP120's have been out of stock the last couple of months. They were not re-upped in anticipation of the impending arrival of the LP160.

I am told that for those of you who had previously unfilled LP120 orders (for instance, in Strobist kits) they are simply gonna swap you out for the LP160. You're welcome, internet.

The feature set is improved all around (except they kept it to quad-sync, cause quintuple-sync woulda been crazy...)


Specs

• Power level: Equal to a Nikon SB-900 or Canon 580 EX II

• Four-second recycle time w/NiMH batts

• Metal, screw-lock hot shoe (sync #1)

• Rotating head turns 180 degrees to the right, 150 degrees to the left for 330-degree coverage. (So you can aim the flash head and the slave in any two directions.)

• Built-in slave (sync #2, and extremely sensitive)

• Built-in PC jack (sync #3, until the industry finally comes to its senses)

• Built-in 1/8" sync jack (sync #4, giving you access to cheap sync cords)

* Motorized Zoom Head goes from 24mm to 105mm

• 7 f/stop range: 1/1 - 1/64th power in 1-stop increments

• 2-year warranty.


The LP160 ($179.99) ships with the following accessories: Slip-on ultra-wide diffusor, 1/8 to PC pigtail sync cord (for remotes) and a cold-shoe stand. Note, the stand does not have a 1/4 x 20 socket embedded.

Additionally, it has a "digital" slave that somehow ignores preflashes. I have never used one of those, and do not usually have to deal with preflashes. But for those of you interested, have at it.

As for road testing, I got to play with a beta unit for a while a ways back. My results confirmed the power levels, and the flash was very color- and level-consistent from pop to pop.

Essentially, it has everything an manual off-camera flasher could want, without a lot of TTL doodads to drive up the price.

I am excited about this not just because it is great value for dollar in an off-camera speedlight, but also because the improvements came largely as a result of user feedback on the already user-inspired LP120.
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:: LumoPro LP160 Product Page ::


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92 Comments:

Blogger TheKingInYellow said...

Already ordered two. I emailed MPEX last night asking about the LP120s, and the response was a rather cryptic: "Check the site later today for an update."

I seriously considered buying a third to update my LP120. The improve recycle time is my only real complaint about that flash.

June 01, 2010 1:15 PM  
Blogger Dude said...

Very nice. I have a question about the power though. The GN rating is about the same as a 430exII, not a 580exII. Is this correct, or am I missing something?

June 01, 2010 1:27 PM  
Blogger David said...

@Dude-

GN is a poor metric -- it is fudge-able by tweaking the beam spread. I compared w/SB-800, apples to apples, and it stood up.

I.e., 50mm spread vs 50mm spread, full power vs full power, etc.

-D

June 01, 2010 1:35 PM  
Blogger Ivan Makarov said...

Very cool. No more buying Sunpak or Vivitar flashes for backup or additional lights.

June 01, 2010 1:43 PM  
Blogger marcus said...

"Optional Power Supply 3rd party: Quantum Battery 1+, 1C and 2 with MB5"

Does this mean it works with an external battery pack? Is this an improvement over the 120 or just something I missed before?

June 01, 2010 1:43 PM  
Blogger Imre said...

The little red LED at front also seems to be something new, what's it for?

June 01, 2010 1:46 PM  
Blogger Vince Edward said...

This is exciting to see. I guess now it's just a matter of deciding between the feature set on this or the YN560 now.

June 01, 2010 2:07 PM  
Blogger Neil said...

If the stand doesn't have a 1/4x20 embedded, how do you have this attached to the adjustable bracket in the photos? It looks like a different bracket than on the MPE pages, right?

...Neil

June 01, 2010 2:14 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

Does power adjustment work w/ the Radiopopper JrX Studio? I.e., is there a Nikon Quench pin on the hotshoe of the flash?

June 01, 2010 2:18 PM  
Blogger Derek Poore said...

I love that there is an inexpensive solution for Strobists and while the quality and reliability of this flash is solid based on personal experience I hope the newer model is built a little better than the 120s. My first one gave me fits. I was worried the battery door would break off. While it never did, it bent just enough over time that I had to wrap gaffer's tape around it to keep the door secure and allow the battery leads to touch. The lock-screw at the bottom cracked within weeks of owning it and I could never secure it to hotshoes after that.

-Derek

June 01, 2010 2:18 PM  
Blogger lecycliste said...

I know, LumpPro is what you get when you're whacked by a professional boxer!

Mark Bohrer
www.activelightphotography.com

June 01, 2010 2:22 PM  
Blogger Frederick said...

interesting..... no built-in gel holder.

June 01, 2010 2:33 PM  
Blogger Barry Khan said...

So with optical slave, does this mean I don't need receiver on this unit, my 580exII can trigger it?

Can the cheap ebay triggers trigger them without a receiver.. Sorry for the noob questions.

Cheers

Barry

June 01, 2010 2:33 PM  
Blogger glenn kaupert said...

a good value to replace the old, worn SB-26's.

June 01, 2010 2:45 PM  
Blogger PetePixxx said...

Well, it if stood up to the SB-800, then it is that little tweek more powerful than claimed (the SB-900). Is that an under-promise/over-deliver, or what?

June 01, 2010 2:48 PM  
Blogger PetePixxx said...

Well, if it matched the SB800 then it's a tad more powerful than stated (SB900).

June 01, 2010 2:50 PM  
Blogger ty said...

This sounds great... Can I give a suggestion for the next upgrade. A way to connect to a wall outlet. I use some older shoe mount flashes that have power cords with a wall wort at the end. I'm able to connect two or three of these to a single portable battery jumper from my car. I get faster recycle times and can shoot all day on the cheap. When there's no power available in go my AA's.

I'll still take one of these though. Awesome bang for the buck in my book.

Tymichael.com

June 01, 2010 3:07 PM  
Blogger Joe Holmes said...

Where can I get a refresher on how I'm going to be able to use these, as a guy who does a lot of Commander-mode work?

June 01, 2010 3:12 PM  
Blogger The23rdman said...

These look pretty good, but I think I'll hang fire for the YN560 that's going live this Friday. Will be a lot cheaper for the same power.

June 01, 2010 3:33 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

David,

Just to clarify regarding the power compared to the 120:

The MPEX e-mail said it was 2x more power than the 120. So, does that mean it has all the same levels of the 120 plus one more stop of light? IOW, is 1/2 power on the 160 full power on the 120?

Thanks

June 01, 2010 3:44 PM  
Blogger Ian said...

Thanks for the heads up, these certainly look appealing. Does anyone know if these will work with a set of Radiopopper JrX's ? I'm specifically interested if it's possible to control the lighting output wirelessly using the quench pin.

June 01, 2010 3:56 PM  
Blogger LR said...

How do you think this will end up stacking up against the Yongnuo YN-560 (apparently coming on Friday)?

June 01, 2010 4:16 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

Just purchased the first one AT Midwest (live in Columbus) and want to add a few additional comments.

1) There is a ready light on both the back and front of the unit.
2) All controls are on the back including slave settings.
3) The power zoom and power settings each have a button that steps through the available settings and are lit so you can see them in low lighting.
4) Battery cover comes completely off.

June 01, 2010 4:25 PM  
OpenID yo-sarrian said...

Exciting stuff! Thanks, David!

June 01, 2010 4:26 PM  
Blogger Ash said...

I'm sure there's probably something I'm missing, but can these be used with Nikon's on-camera flash CLS system?

June 01, 2010 4:44 PM  
Blogger Heipel said...

Was about to buy another sb900, but I'll get two of these instead and still have enough left over for a modifier or two and a stand or two :)

June 01, 2010 4:54 PM  
Blogger moonie said...

holy smokes! i'm so stoked on this one. my 580 just farted out on me last week, and this is just the new baby i'm looking for. now, next thing we need to do is convince someone to make a barebulb 120j equivalent. i'll be looking around right now, but has anyone seen any reviews on how it compares to the Sunpix SP46, Foton UB-88 and the YN560?

June 01, 2010 5:17 PM  
Blogger Bieber said...

Does anyone know if this thing has a quench pin? And if it does, is it wired to the 3.5mm jack? I just hacked 3.5mm stereo jacks into both my SBs for remote power control with my JrX's and plain stereo cables, and I'm gonna kick myself if this thing supports it out of the box :/

June 01, 2010 5:37 PM  
Blogger David said...

Just a couple answers to some Q's, BUT PLEASE SEND YOUR SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS TO MPEX. They are the prime info source, and I am on the road for the next coupla days, without the ability to answer 5 gazillions Q's dribbling in. :)

That said,

@Marcus - Yes, will work with standard voltage external power pack. (NOT HIGH VOLTAGE PACKS.)

@Imre-

Ready lights front and back, if I remember correctly.

@Vince-

Until the YN560 actually materializes, cannot really compare them. I hope to get one for a closer look soon.

@Neil-

My stands all have Nikon AS-19 shoe adapters on them. That is what you see.

@Derek-

You should know that if you ever have any build-related problem with a LumoPro flash, they have been outstanding about prompt repair or replacement. Same goes for LP160.

@Ken-

No, there is not an RP-addressable quench pin.

@Barry -

Yes, any other flash will trigger it wirelessly -- via optical slave. I found the slave to be very sensitive, too.

@Gregory-

Running both products was not really a viable option. (This kind of thing is very expensive for a medium-sized retailer to do, and represents a large commitment.)

So they opted to go for a better version that was still less than half of the price of the top-line flashes.

@PetePixxx - It matched the output of my SB-800s at same power/beam settings. Not sure of relative levels for '800 vs. '900. Don't own a '900.

@Joe-

Come over from the dark side. Lighting 101 will save you.

@23man-

Very curious to see the '560 myself. Is a different flash -- no 1/8" jack, and because of the delivery channels and warranty differences, support may be a different animal, too. The 2-yr warranty is one of the '160's best features, IMO.


@Jeff -

2x as powerful = 1 more stop. Which is to say that the LP160 at 1/2 power is as strong as an LP120 at full power.

@Ian-

Nope. See above in this comment.

@Steve-

Thanks for he extra info!

@Ash-

These are meant to be used with any brand of camera (save direct mount to a Sony/Minolta, etc.) and do not have eTTL or CLS capabilities.

@Bieber -

Nope, no quench pin.


Thats all of the answers from here for the next few days!


-DH

June 01, 2010 6:14 PM  
Blogger David said...

Also: Rob galbraith has tested it and published t.5/t.1 times.

(Thanks Rob!)

June 01, 2010 6:17 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

I honestly might ditch all my SB's and pick up 4 or 5 of these for consistency and simplicity's sake. The absence of all the TTL/e-TTL/coffee maker settings and buttons on these warm my heart.

June 01, 2010 7:06 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Gee, it looks like I really DID plan ahead. My SB-26 has one of those fancy "Digital" (work despite pre-flashes) options for its optical slave modes too.

June 02, 2010 1:15 AM  
Blogger Adam McAnaney said...

David,

Sorry for an off-topic comment, but I wasn't sure how best to ask this question. I just read the press release for the PocketWizard AC3 Zone Controller (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1006/10060203pocketwizardac3.asp), but it wasn't very clear to me. Is this a standalone product, or does it require the use of a Mini TT1 or Flex TT5? Have you used (perhaps as a tester) this system or do you have any thoughts on it? Is this just a more convenient way to control the power level on remote flashes when using the Mini TT1 and Flex TT5, rather than using camera menus? Or does this actually add additional functionality?

Sorry for all the questions. I should probably be addressing these to PocketWizard...

Best,
Adam

June 02, 2010 1:21 PM  
Blogger TK said...

At $160, a flash without TTL/E-TTL isn't a completed price. Adding $60, you can get Sigma EF530 DG Super Flash. I like the metal shoe though.

June 02, 2010 5:57 PM  
Blogger Aaron Brown said...

Can't wait to give this guy a go. Thanks for the tip, Dave!

June 02, 2010 8:17 PM  
Blogger 60/40 said...

I will pickup 3 of these as soon as I am ready to add some more lights.

June 02, 2010 10:32 PM  
Blogger R&S Foto said...

Just ordered one now! I'm excited, and hope they work as great as the reviews suggest.

June 02, 2010 11:08 PM  
Blogger Jason Sheesley said...

Maybe it's just me, but I wonder why they keep making these with a hot shoe mount instead of a sturdy metal 3/8" mount. How many people actually put these on camera?

June 03, 2010 12:54 AM  
Blogger Taura said...

just ordered one! have been hemming and hawing about the $500 to get a new sb900, and jumped on the price. we'll see...

June 03, 2010 1:05 AM  
Blogger jON said...

will my old cactus trigger V2 be able to trigger this thing?

June 03, 2010 5:58 AM  
Blogger fiziskandarz said...

coolness! wish i could have one myself :D

June 03, 2010 7:22 AM  
Blogger David said...

David,
Could let me know where I can buy this flashgun in the UK.

David Elson

June 03, 2010 10:50 AM  
Blogger blips said...

Jason Sheesley said...
Maybe it's just me, but I wonder why they keep making these with a hot shoe mount....


Easy answer; My ebay triggers have a hotshoe on the receiver. Better then using pesky failure prone cables.

June 03, 2010 11:00 AM  
Blogger Ewoud said...

Hi David,

I'm just a silent reader normally, but since you havent posted about this.

This new pocketwizard thingie might be of interrest..

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1006/10060203pocketwizardac3.asp

Regards & keep up the good work, I have learned a lot from reading you site!

Ewoud

www.ewoudkoster.nl

June 03, 2010 12:40 PM  
Blogger Valtorc said...

Very cool! I need a couple of these for around the house :)

June 03, 2010 3:12 PM  
Blogger Alex said...

Having 2 broken strobes from last year (sb26 and 28, so don't say they were badly built, and i bought both in unopened boxes), both suffering from breaking the hot shoe mount, (one fell over in the wind onto an umbrella that broke, and even with the cushioning it still broke the shoe (in half), another one got hit by a bike; ok that one was legitimately not an engineering oversight) i am definitely looking forward to having a metal mount on these. I think that for the power, the price tag is right, especially with the two-year warrantee. Besides nobody said that photography, especially digital photography is a cheap hobby, so you will shell out a grand for a decent camera and lens, (or 2-3 grand for a pro camera and a lens), but you question that a $150 is a good investment for a good-quality strobe? And i know the intentions of the website, and that people look to the cheap-ish kits to start up with off camera flash, and i am in the very same boat, but honestly i'd rather spend $150 for these, with durability in mind and knowing that there is nothing but excellent reviews for LumoPro customer service, then pay say $100/strobe, but have to buy another one next year, because engineering oversight and a small accident made mine not usable. And i will undoubtedly buy more strobes, but to increase the amount of strobes i own and can use if i need to, rather then to replace broken equipment.

Just my $.02

June 03, 2010 6:11 PM  
Blogger gabedamien said...

Some of the comments above reminded me about this slightly off-topic tip: RadioPoppers have released the RPCube for Canon, allowing remote manual control of Canon flashes via the JrX Studio system. I was sort of surprised that you didn't post about it; seems like something a lot of your readers have been waiting for.

Of course this does not have any relevance to the LumoPro flashes, I just didn't see any more appropriate method of leaving a tip.

June 03, 2010 9:27 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

After long thoughts about what I want from the first strobe I ever buy and how much power I want from it, I've decided that this is the flash for me. It looks super easy to use and a lot of fun to work with. However, the recycle time worries me. Is there a way to get the recycle time faster? I looked at battery packs for speed lights and different mods.

June 05, 2010 6:27 PM  
Blogger rye shooto said...

I will be studying abroad in tokyo for 4 months starting this august. I want to pack light. I don't intend to bring a lightstand or umbrella. I'll just have someone hold my off camera flash for me. I intend to do mostly street photography at night and group pics at bars/lounges. Do you guys think this is enough gear to get some decent lighting at night time and indoors or should I at least bring some type of diffuser with me like the softbox III?

June 06, 2010 1:37 PM  
Blogger Barry Khan said...

@rye take the softboxx III, and possible a grid... you can't travel much lighter than that..

June 07, 2010 10:44 AM  
Blogger rye shooto said...

I'll be getting alot of stares in the bars when I take my flash out and attach the softbox III on it and start taking pictures. But then again it's Tokyo and weirder things happen. If it wasn't for my shyness I'd buy a lightstand and umbrella but I would be worried about it getting knocked over by people, even if I put it in a corner at a karaoke place.

June 08, 2010 9:23 AM  
Blogger Awesomefest said...

@Andrew The recycle time isn't bad unless you are firing rapidly at full power (which would almost never be the case). I haven't had one misfire due to power levels, even when shooting photojournalist.

See my photos with the flash: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shutterthink/tags/lp160/

June 08, 2010 1:17 PM  
Blogger John said...

Just got my LP160 today- matches near perfectly with my Canon 580exii- The battery slider is a little iffy, but besides that, this is a great manual flash. Controls are nice, light is perfect. Will be ordering more very soon!!!
Thanks MPEX!

June 08, 2010 11:12 PM  
Blogger Heath said...

I had already decided to buy the LP120 a month ago, but after being told by MPEX that those weren't going to be restocked, I waited for the next version. Once I saw the tweet come through that these were available, I was first in line for one of these flashes.

After receiving the LP160, I was not disappointed. It was definitely worth the price.

It feels very well built, puts out great light and is dead easy to use. The coolest feature is the slave setting where it ignores pre-flashes. This means I can just leave my camera in TTL mode and add some room lighting with this flash. The slave is really sensitive; I've never had to use a cord or wireless transmitter. Also, because it ignores pre-flashes I can even use it with a cheap point and shoot to add some additional lighting.

It is a completely manual flash, there is no quench pin, only a single pin on the hotshoe. I put this on my Nikon D40, and the camera will fire the flash, but for it to work properly the camera has to be in manual mode.

I hope this helps some newer photographers understand how this flash can be used.

-Heath

June 10, 2010 7:13 PM  
Blogger trix said...

Is it safe for flash/camera to put LumoPro on my Pentax K10D camera hotshoe or is it wiser to be used only via optical slave?
Sorry for noob question...

June 14, 2010 8:33 AM  
Blogger Jim Royal said...

Heath, your comments have just about sold me on the LumoPro. But I'm wondering if there's one more thing you could help qualify.

There is a series of mid-priced flashes that provide wireless TTL (Metz, Sigma, for example) but which do not provide full manual control when shooting wireless (unless using a radio trigger). I'm trying to balance the benefits of wireless TTL versus full manual control versus price.

If I go for the LumoPro's, I'll save money, but I'm not sure if I'll be trapping myself into a situation where I'll need P-TTL and can't get it. Can you (or anyone else) provide some insight from your own experience?

June 17, 2010 10:52 AM  
Blogger ty said...

Jim you can go without TTL. I learned to to use flash on Strobist and I've never used TTL. So you don't need it. That's not to say you can't use it or want to use it at some point but I wouldn't say your trapping yourself. Take a look at my site. 90% of the images were shot with flashes I got on ebay for under $20..... I even got one for $10 and that was with shipping.

I guess I should say thanks David while I'm here. Really thanks for the great blog. I don't know how you manage to keep it up.

Anyway Jim here is the link so you can see for yourself. I've never felt trapped.

http://www.tymichael.com/

June 17, 2010 4:53 PM  
Blogger Jim Royal said...

Thanks very much for your input, Ty. I'm convinced.

And I love your portfolio. I think the use of that horizontal strip light in that corporate portrait absolutely rocks.

June 17, 2010 10:29 PM  
Blogger bobusn said...

Happy Fathers Day! Wife & kids got me TWO. Woo-hoo! Boxes look like they will double as in-a-pinch snoots...

June 20, 2010 11:20 AM  
OpenID evilhauntedtoys said...

Anyone know if the LP160 will work better outside, in the shade at least, than the LP120?

If I use the LP120 outside, it won't fire as a slave flash. In fact, sometimes it doesn't even fire with a PocketWizard attached to it unless I cover up the IR thing on the front.

The sunlight, or just plain old daylight in general, makes the flash almost 100% useless. It will not fire even in the shade!

On the other hand, this old Digi-Slave or Digi-Flash, that I have to whack on the side to make it work sometimes, fires reliably every time.

June 20, 2010 9:49 PM  
Blogger Dreamspinner said...

The full power guide numbers in the manual are
98 @ 35mm
112 @ 50mm
138 @ 105mm
so it's almost identical to a 430EX, not a 580EX. On camera tests verify this.
Great build quality and I'm digging mine.

June 26, 2010 11:46 AM  
Blogger rishio said...

Okay... a real beginner question. I am just starting to get into off camera flash and I'm not sure how this new flash can work off the camera. How does a Canon camera communicate with it wirelessly? I was going to purchase the st-e2 from canon and use that to control the 580exII wirelessly - or possibly the radio popper transmitter and receiver but I don't see how any of these systems will work with this third party flash since they were designed to work with Canon. Can someone give me an idea on how you are supposed to use these flash off camera on a Canon dslr? Will it work with radiopopper somehow?

June 26, 2010 7:09 PM  
Blogger ty said...

Hey Rishio,

You should definitely read through the lighting 101. Here is a link to one of the post on synching flashes. Should answer most of your questions.

http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101-pc-cords-and-pocket.html

If your really want to learn how to use your flashes you should read the whole lighting 101 and follow the blog. It's invaluable to say the least.

Ty Michael

http://www.tymichael.com/

June 27, 2010 12:05 PM  
Blogger Simon said...

I've just bought a LP160, thinking it would be a good inexpensive option to boost my modest array of flashes. I've been playing around with it for a couple of hours and overall I'm quite pleased. It certainly offers everything one would want from a manual flash. However, I do have one major gripe with it. The battery compartment isn't big enough!
4 NiMH AA batteries are a VERY tight fit in the battery compartment. Many NiMH manufacturers produce batteries that are very slightly fatter than the standard alkaline. I'm not sure why this is, but it's definitely the case over here in the UK. Once you've got 4 NiMH AAs into the LP160, you need to slam the unit against your palm to dislodge them again to get them back out. I'm hoping the flash can cope with this over it's lifespan. If not, then I'm going to be very unhappy.
I should add that the brand of NiMH AA that I tend to use are indeed slightly fatter that something like an standard alkaline duracell, but they still slip in and out of every other battery powered device I own very easily. I thought this might be of interest to others, so make of it what you will.

July 06, 2010 9:11 AM  
Blogger Simon said...

Just a follow up to my previous post/rant about NiMH AAs and the LP160. I've just bought some of the much praised Sanyo Eneloop batteries, and tried them in the LP160. The good news is that they slip in and out easily. They're also so much less hassle than the other NiMH batteries I've used that I can't recommend them enough. They really do hold their charge. So they're a reliable choice if you're buying the LP160.

July 12, 2010 9:05 AM  
Blogger Dr. Larry said...

David:

I think your nickname just went from "The Strobist" to "Lumpy" like on Leave it to Beaver. ;-)

Larry Wyatt
Houston, TX

July 18, 2010 10:14 AM  
Blogger LumoPro said...

@Dreamspinner:

Have you had a chance to put the flashes side by side yet? Curious what you have found. We put it side by side with an SB-900 and 580 EX II and found the power to be virtually identical.



Guide Numbers are a funny thing. Wish it was more standardized. We measured the LumoPro at 50mm, FWIW. I think Canon is at 105mm and Nikon at 35mm or something like that. Until you put a flash side by side in a test, there is no real way (that I have found) to compare.



@Simon: We have tested it with the following batteries. Some of them are tighter than others but no real concerns. Varta, Duracell Alkoline AA, Delkin, Power Ex, Eneloop, CTA, Ansman NiMh.



@EU Customers: Flashes are available at CameraTools.nl in The Netherlands. They are also available now in Israel. Dubai, Malaisia, Phillipines coming soon!

July 20, 2010 1:44 PM  
Blogger leo said...

if i get cybersyncs (CST and CSRB+) from alienbees.. to use with lumapro 160 flashes ..will they allow me to remotely control the power of these flashes like adjusting from 1/4 to 1/8 power in Manual mode.

July 21, 2010 5:52 PM  
Blogger Ross said...

Another noob question :)
At the moment I'm shooting using 2 430EX's off camera using my 7D's built in wireless function. I set the flash output manually in the camera menu's to control each flash output independently. I prefer this to having to change the flash output on the flash itself.

Would the LP160 support this same feature, or will I only be able to use my 7D to trigger it, and have to set the output on the flash itself?

Many thanks :)
Ross

July 26, 2010 9:53 AM  
Blogger K. D. Cline said...

Hi David,

I just wanted to drop a quick note to say thanks for pointing out the LumoPro LP 160 specifically, and Midwest Photo Exchange as an ethical and reliable mail order vendor. I received my LP 160 in the mail last Saturday and I haven't been able to put it and my camera down since. Midwest shipped the flash the next business morning after I ordered it, and it is much more flash than I expected, even after your excellent review.

Like so many who have commented before me, I want to thank you for your extraordinary blog, and for helping to make my photographs much better.

Best regards,

K.D. Cline

August 02, 2010 11:38 PM  
Blogger Nikolay said...

Hello!
First of all I must say I am totally new to off camera lighting and I recently decided to buy the LumoPro160 and start learning to light properly :)

The problem I have is that I always get upper half of my frame exposed and the lower part - pitch black underexposed.

Either I have no idea how to point the flash to my subject, something is wrong with it.

After 30 minutes of tried to light a whole person with it, I never got anything but his face lit. All below - black.
I thought the light should be coming straight form the flash in forward direction...

Can you please help me with insights.. these first results are not really encouraging.

August 07, 2010 6:10 PM  
Blogger David said...

Nikolay-

Form what you are saying, it sounds very much like you are trying to sync the flash at a shutter speed that is over your camera's maximum sync speed, as that is exactly what happens.

You need to check what your maximum sync speed is, and stay at or below that.

The comments section is not really a one-to-one tech forum -- you'll want to use the Strobist Flickr group and search to see if your Q has been asked before.

You have a lot of reading / learning ahead of you!

-DH

August 08, 2010 10:12 AM  
Blogger Nikolay said...

Thank you David!

Sorry for posting this here, but I thought it is related to the specific flash. I'll address my further questions in the flicker group.

My camera is Nikon D90 and I sync the flash with 1/250s which I believed was the right speed. But I'll investigate more.

Thanks again for the fast reply!

August 08, 2010 12:34 PM  
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August 09, 2010 4:02 PM  
Blogger pjcaver said...

I just received my 160 by UPS yesterday and am pleased with what I see so far. I do have some concerns, though, and won't know until they are put to the real test:

The zoom feature is electronic, not manual. I use my 20 or so various strobes (V283's, 285's and a mishmash of others) in cave photography. They get wet, muddy, damp from humidity, etc. Something that requires electronic power to move it means draining some battery power and also means the possibility that it won't work after some wear and tear in my "normal" usage underground. I hope I am wrong. The instructions even state that humidity can affect the performance...

The metal hotshoe is only partially metal, namely just the plate on the bottom. The rest of it is plastic. Admittedly, it is the plastic part that slides into hotshoe connectors that is usually the part that breaks, but a bit more metal would make me feel better.

I'll be interested to try out the built-in slave unit. I am the US vendor for a cave photography specific slave unit called the Firefly Slave for Cave Photography. It has astounding range that increases dramatically when used underground where there is little of no infrared light (up to 1500' away). I will be interested to see how far away the 160 will trigger from.

I bought it because of its supposed higher power output than the trusted OLDER V 285 HV units (not the newer ones which are cheap and break easily). I'll be making side by side comparisons to see if it's really true. I certainly hope so!

pjcaver

August 14, 2010 8:35 AM  
Blogger photo said...

Hi

Who are able to make an test for have the true power of this flash?
I demand that because i have buy the Yongnuo YN 560 who are supposed to have 58NG (the same at 580EXII) and it's not true, he have only power at my 430EXII.
- place your flashmeter at 100 ISO at 10 feets of the flash
- head zoom of the flash at 50mm and full power 1/1
- take the measure with incident mode et tell-me the operture F:
Thanks for advance.

August 15, 2010 3:09 PM  
Blogger damon said...

My camera is Nikon D90 and I sync the flash with 1/250s which I believed was the right speed. But I'll investigate more.

I bought two flash units, one of them works perfectly, the other one has a slow sync speed.

At first I thought it wasn't firing, because my photos were dark. But after taking a snapshot I saw it was firing, but not showing up in the frame. I decreased my shutter by a stop for every frame I shot, and it wasn't until I reached 1/60th that the flash was actually caught by the camera.

I notice that this only happens when attached to a trigger or hotshoe, as the optical slave fires at the proper sync speed. I believe it is a mechanical issue, and will be sending it back to exchange.

Your flash may have the same problem. Just an FYI.

August 21, 2010 11:09 AM  
Blogger WingedPower said...

Had a bit more time shooting with the LP160 paired with a Minolta 5600HS(D) and PW+II.

DSLR+PW+II => PW+II+LP160, I can get 1/250th sync. Awesome.

DSLR+PW+II => PW+II+5600HS(D) ==> LP160(optical trigger), I get solid sync at 1/160th.

The LP160 has been absolutely awesome in its reliability. Just great. Might pick up some more.

The only added feature I would want, is the ability to do remote power/zoom up/down and to view the status remotely, ala elinchrome and alienbees' einstein units, or the new PW multiETTL stuff.

September 20, 2010 3:30 PM  
Blogger Bill said...

I use Harbor Digital's Ultimate Light Box system. They do not reference the Lumopro 160 in their flash adaptor models. Can anyone tell me the if the dimensions of the Lumpro matches any other strobes?

If you go here: harbordigitaldesign.com/adapter-1.aspx and hit the pull-down, you can see the list of models they support.

Thanks
Bill

September 25, 2010 7:46 PM  
Blogger David J. Heinrich said...

Bieber said that he "hacked 3.5mm stereo jacks into both [of his] SBs for remote power control with [his] JrX's and plain stereo cables..."

Can someone explain how this is possible or works? Is it possible to hack the hack 3.5mm stereo jacks (?) into the LumoPro LP160 for remote power control?

September 28, 2010 6:31 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

Just got a Lumopro 160 and it won't trigger from a Flex TT5. I've connected the Lumopro to the Flash/P2 port on the Flex TT5 using an 1/8" mono patch cable.

Anyone have any success triggering the Lumopro 160 from a Flex TT5?

October 27, 2010 11:38 AM  
Blogger StefanSC said...

The LumoPro looks good as a Strobist type flash, but it's harder to get here in EU. So, while searching for alternatives, I've came across this:
http://www.nissindigital.com/en/di622mii.html

The Nissin Di622 mk 2.
Pricewise it should be close to the LumoPro(don't know though about availability in the US).
It's got a PC-sync, a 3.5mm jack, it can take Cactus type triggers on it's shoe, it knows iTTL, auto-zoom, and as a bonus for the Nikon crowd, works with CLS/AWL(no HSS though).
Downsides are that it goes down only to 1/32 power, you can't control manualy the zoom setting, and it has a very plasticy shoe. And it's a bit more expensive than the LumoPro(If I translate the EU prices to US, it should be around 20$ more expensive).

I must admit I haven't tested it yet (and probably won't, as right now I need something to replace an SB600 as an on-camera flash, and the noHSS and no manual zoom kills it for me) but I tought it may interest the Strobist readers.

January 12, 2011 9:33 AM  
Blogger FordBills said...

Does anyone had problems with this flash and the Knight Pixel tr-332? I use this trigger on my 580ex II and i use the Lumopro LP160 in slave mode, and the flash fires but there is not light registered on the picture for that flash, i think it's a sync problem but i can't solve it. Has anyone had this problem?
Or does anyone know the solution?
Thanks in advance.

February 05, 2011 2:03 AM  
Blogger AMorris said...

I just got a 160 to sync with the Cactus V2S on my 40D up to 1/200.

February 24, 2011 9:33 PM  
OpenID kevindemassio said...

Thank you for your awesome post. I'm a new photographer, and I've been really interested in the strobist technique to photography. For the past two weeks I have been researching good "bang for your buck" flashes. I keep coming back to the same two, the Nikon SB 26, and the Lumopro 160. I see that there are a lot of people who love this flash, I am just wondering which is a better bang for your buck? Thanks for you help.

March 10, 2011 7:14 PM  
OpenID jin ( lord icon) said...

I HAVE A FLASH SIMULIAR TO THIS ONE SHOWN ON THE PHOTO.

I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN THIS FLASH WORK ON A GARY FONG COLLAPSIBLE DIFFUSER?

March 13, 2011 1:20 AM  
Blogger Capt. Brendan McCarthy said...

Anyone know if this flash will work with the YN 602 triggers? My 430EX2 works really well with them and I have any extra YN receiver. am afraid to get a non-canon flash if tey wont work. thanks so much

March 27, 2011 7:30 PM  
Blogger RevTim said...

My son has my old Nikon D80, but is new to strobes. Since the LP160 doesn't have TTL, would it be frustrating for him. Also, if so -- what TTL flash would you recommend?

July 17, 2012 5:39 PM  
Blogger David Hobby said...

Depends on how much power you want, along with that TTL capability, and how much wallet you have. Your two choices are $360 and $550.

But if your son is older than 10, you may be selling him short by assuming he can't learn manual.

If money is not an object, go for it.

July 17, 2012 10:00 PM  
Blogger Damion Dunlap said...

Looks like LumoPro has ended production of this flash and companies like MPEX are already out of stock. Is there maybe something newer on the market that you would recommend since the LP160 is gone.

December 12, 2012 8:55 PM  
Blogger David Hobby said...

@Damion-

There are a lot of cheap Chinese flashes hitting the market now, but quite honestly I have trouble recommending any of them from a reliability standpoint. (That's one reason I really like the LP stuff, and they back it up with a 2-yr warranty.)

I'd say if you can't wait, look for a used Nikon SB-24. -26. -28, -800, -900. If you can wait a fe months, the LP160 is being replaced by the LP180, which from what I hear is better in every respect.

December 12, 2012 9:42 PM  
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