Going Rogue with FlashBenders

I know what you are thinking -- this snoot looks a little familiar, perhaps?
Well, it is -- and it isn't.
Actually, better lemme explain.
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Okay, long story short -- and without going into too much detail:
Honl creates a line of snoots and gobos. Sells them independently. Signs with ExpoImaging as distributors. A falling out occurs. Honl back to independent. ExpoImaging releases new line of Rogue FlashBenders.
So now you know some backstory. And yeah, there is a certain level of familiarity involved. But they are different enough to make them of interest, so here goes.
Mounting Tension

There are a few differences between the Rogue FlashBenders and the Honl stuff. But for me the special sauce is in the way they designed their mounting system.
The speed strap is elasticized, and built into the snoot itself. It attaches with a nice (and consistent) amount of tension. The edges of the snoot attach with velcro, like so:

Advantages: Quick mounting, and the strap is always with the mod.
Disadvantages: You're essentially gonna pay for a strap with each mod. Whereas you might be able to get by with, say, four mods and two straps otherwise.
Horses for courses. And depending on what configuration you end up with, one system might be priced better for you than the other.
One area in which Honl snoots do best the Rogues is in reversibility. Being able to choose which surface you want on the inside of a snoot means that you can alter the internal reflectance of the snoot -- and thus the quickness of the fall-off at the edge of the beam.
Since the FlashBenders have a white interior, you are always going to get a wide feather to the edge of the snoot's beam. You can see it what I am talking about in the photo directly above.
I make my homemade cardboard snoots reversible from end to end (black interiors one end, white on the other) just for that reason.
Get Bent
Conversely, the FlashBenders do add a feature over the Honl models in that they have an internal set of thick, diagonal wires. This allows a kind of "twisty-tie" capability in that you can lock it into just about any shape you want if using it as a bounce card.
Personally, I do very little (if any) bounce card-type lighting. But I know a number of you do shoot that way (receptions, parties, etc.) and it would seem to be more versatile for those folks.
The wires do add weight. Not an issue for just one or two units, but if you have a stack you could tell. Feels kinda like one of the X-Ray proof film bags back in the day. (They were, of course only X-ray proof until the opaque image they gave on the machine caused the operator to crank the volume up until your film glowed in the dark.)
There is a large and small version of the snoot / bouncer / bendy thing. There is also a straight bounce card/gobo version, which does have a black insert or a white backing for versatility.
More info / prices, etc., at ExpoImaging.
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21 Comments:
typo:
They were, of course only X-ray proof until the opaque image they gave on the machine caused the operator ***top**** crank the volume up until your film glowed in the dark.)
Love the blog! Nice to see you on Dtown TV as well.
These product are great, we made a review on our french web magazine Reportages Photos, you can read it here : http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2126-test-reflecteur-rogue-flashbenders-le-test.html
Thanks for your blog.
David, not to seem obtuse, but why is this ok and a chinese knock-off of the Ray Flash isn't? Didn't they just take a former partner's idea (one that they did not help design) and change it slightly to avoid litigation? I know that with the Ray Flash knock-offs they may have actually stolen dies and what not as well. However it still seems to me that they are stealing his idea.
@Paul-
I always hide a typo or two in a post to see if you are all awake of course. Congrats on being the first to catch it as I was conveniently in the air all day and unable to fix it!
@Harry-
Fair point. For one thing, they are well-made, which gets them out of the league of the Chinese Ray flash knockoffs that are not only bad but inconsistently bad. I have tested a couple and, well... whoa. Awful.
I felt these were a legitimate evolution which would be (as I noted) an improvement for some and a deterrent for others depending on your particular situation.)
And to be fair, LumiQuest has a snoot that is kinda similar that predates both.
So yeah, muddy. It was a judgement call and I tried to do it with a decent amount if disclosure. Kinda proud of the subhead double entendres, actually. More so of the (unpublished) one that was so good I did not feel comfy running it... :)
Snoot question: in snoot mode, will the wires be able to shape the snoot ala cinefoil?
Of course, now I need to know what that omitted double-entendre was!
The subhead double entendres are the icing on the cake :) I actually laughed out loud (in my office with coworkers around) when I got to the Get Bent part.
It's hard to call this a knock-off. One of the standards for determining the level of innovation present is whether its non-obvious. With all due respect to Honl (love their products, though not necessarily their prices), hook and loop fasteners being used to attach things to a flash is pretty obvious. From what I can tell (based on the number of ancient flashes that have Velcro all over them on eBay) photographers have been using some variation of the method for years.
The difference in something like a Chinese knock-off of a Ring Flash design is that there is some specific engineering required in designing an efficient ring-flash modifier for a shoe mount flash. The knock-offers intentionally thieve the outer appearance of the device, while ignoring the internal engineering in order to lure customers in before they realize they're losing six stops of light.
Obviously its not so good that they kind of ripped of Honl but i suppose its kind of expected plus he offers a lot in his system on top of the snoots so it wont affect him a massive amount, you've shown positives and negatives for people to make up their own mind (a subjective review is always good)
David, what a powerful combination...someone who is as accomplished as you are, with a great sense of humor as well. Thanks for all the great information (and laughs).
I've seen these in the shops and was wondering what was going on, since it looked alot like a Honl, but wasn't branded as such. Thought Honl had created a sub-brand or something. This clears it up.
For the record, I used to use,still have, one of their flap snoot/bounces. I say flap, because it can't hold it's shape to save it's life, if there was any wind present.
These rogues look like a great idea: pliable stiffness to allow one to shape the bounce. Just awesome.
Not loving on the built in strap, tho.
So the question comes to mind, who'll create their own DIY version first? :)
Not for nuttin', but I think I'll support the little guy.
Actually, I have never seen anyone use this type of light modifier. And you also mention your homemade cardboard snoots... So I wonder who does use these? Anyone?
To Mike, re your unmoderated comment -
I hear ya. But nope, not even in the comments. I decided that was one image(s) theft I could handle directly, and appropriately.
That said, I agree with your sentiments. But shame about first contact...
-D
A bit off topic David...why do designers of hotshoe flashes insist on using push buttons to lock the head in the default tilt/rotate position? I gaffer tape the two buttons on my flash units so all I need to do is position the head where I want it...works great, especially in fast-paced shooting situations.
I just bought one, ironically to replace my honl snoot as i do use it in huge bouncecard mode. (dunno where my honl snoot went >.>)
Normally, i have the flash mounted on-camera (i know, shock horror), and rotated 90deg to the left. Honl snoot mounted so that it bounces forward. Last year when i needed it, i had it on a Metz 48 last year. with my big nigh time shoot coming up on aug 19 and the metz being a little broken, it's either gonna go on SB26 or a YN460II (possibly a YN580 or LP160 if the timing's right).
And in that configuration, the security of the mounting strap depends on the flash.
Because of how thin the Metz 48 and YN460II's head is, the diagonal wires make securing the snoot to the flash a little insecure. it does easily come off the YN460II and Metz 48, but because of the bigger flash head the snoot on the SB26 feels very secure.
The diagonal wires make it more suited for my big bouncecard than the honl snoot. That's the reason i bought that rather than another honl one.
One more thing, i used to use the honl snoot as a protective sleeve around my Metz48 whilst in my camera bag. the stiff wires make it hard to do that with the flashbenders snoot.
i can't comment on it's use as a snoot though. i've never used either as a snoot?.
Bought one of these (Large) finally after considerable time reviewing the alternatives. Chose this over the Honl, Demb and Lite Scoop. One thing that won me over is the versatility of this product. I already have the Gary Fong Lightsphere but it's just too bulky. I love the Lite Scoop but I'm hoping the Flashbender can do just as well as that. I also am getting a SpectraLight Diffuser along with this.
1. Love the strobist!
2. would love to hear opinions from folks re: the large vs. the small version of the flashbender. One review on amazon says that the large one is too heavy for their SB900 (and if it's too heavy for that, what would it do to a smaller flash? *gasp*)
thoughts appreciated...
@ Alex: I read that review as well. That user was complaining about using the diffuser when the flash head was at a 45-degree angle, which doesn't lock like it does when pointing straight up, the latter of which is what the diffuser was intended for. I'm not surprised it doesn't stand up at 45 degrees. I tried a demo of this product with my SB-900, and it worked great. I'm ordering one tonight.
I have been curious about this bender for a while and I wanted to try it. I found out that it was a pretty penny and I had got a club gig and knew that I was going to need something good. I googled flashbender DIY and found this guy. http://abrentisart.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/diy-flashbender/ whose design was very interesting until I couldn't find the mesh that he uses.
So I altered it a bit. I took two pieces of foam, one white and one black. I got some jewelers armature wire made a frame, and sandwiched it between the foam and bam a masterpiece. I used gaffers tape to dress the edges and the light was phenomenal. I loved it. Nice and soft and really only about $6 to $7 bucks to make. I have since spent much more than that trying to perfect it, but I will have several to choose from or sell if it should come to that. If you make your own you can make it better. I finally got a chance to see one in a store and I think that mine is better. I can shape it pretty much any way that I want. I can make a nice softbox out of it as well because all edges bend.
I just recently found the mesh and I am looking forward to working with that and see if I can take a little of the weight off.
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