Friday, December 07, 2007

Assisting on the James Balog Iceberg Shoot

strobisticebergRemember the post about the Stunning Nikon site and the iceberg shoot? Turns out one of the assistants for the shoot checked in via the comments and left some extra info about working with speedlights in what can only be described as "extreme shrinkage-inducing" waters.

That's Jeff, above, trying in vain to thaw his hands with an SB-800. His notes, which include a couple of neat ideas for stretching the range of a CLS shoot, are after the jump.
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Hey all-

I'm James's assistant and just found out about strobist, and can provide all sorts of detail for all these shots. I'm the guy in the red hat in the first photo, helped design all the lighting and was basically in charge of all the strobes.

First off, we never used more than 8 strobes in any one photo, usually in pairs of two strobes on a stand. We used a couple of Justin clamps to keep the lights on the stand. Most of the shots, however, were taken with just four strobes, and sometimes even two. The camera was obviously on a tripod for all of them, and everything was triggered through the Nikon commander unit.

The the first shot and the sixth shot on Stunning Nikon were lit with just four of the strobes, two on each side. All batteries were lithium-ions, and the recharges were actually very fast. We were using the extra external battery pack, so it totaled 10 AAs. We didn't use the extra add-on battery adapter to the actual flash unit because we figured we had enough power already and we didn't want that extra battery to obstruct the sensor. The lights were not always putting out full power, so we probably could have gotten by with fewer lights even.

Ben (another assistant) and I were standing out in the freezing cold water up to the top of our waders, holding onto the light stands. There was one time when an iceberg almost took out a stand, but I luckily caught it in time. Yes, I was quite worried that one would fall in the water, but fortunately that never happened.

Getting the strobes to fire was a bit trickier than indoors--just so much more space to cover, and needing to maintain line of sight with all the lights. On the fifth shot on the Nikon website, I had to do some interesting trickery to get the lights to sync. It was lit with just five speedlights, and covered that entire space. Three lights on the left side out of frame, one on the close foreground iceberg, one on the middle ground iceberg, and one on the far back.

The tricky part were the two lights on the right hand side, hidden behind the big iceberg, that had to light the right side of the middle ground and far away iceberg. While all three lights on the left side were triggered by the normal commander mode, the others weren't in line of sight with the camera, so I had to set them to function as a slave. As we were shooting though, we realized that those two slave strobes were firing, but weren't getting picked up by the exposures.

I realized the pre-flash was tripping the slaves, so we had to do a FV lock on the camera. The FV lock calculated the exposure for all the lights, then we would take the actual shot. That shot combined the commander mode, the slave mode, and the FV lock. (Oh, and for the light that was really far in the back, maybe around 70 feet or so, I shaped some aluminum foil around the sensor to help pick up the light from the other strobes).

So I think that's it. I'm glad you guys appreciated the images so much. James definitely appreciates all the comments.

And please check out our current project, www.extremeicesurvey.org. We're undergoing a major renovation to the website right now that should be up in a couple months, that will show a lot of the footage we've been gathering this year.
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Thanks much, Jeff! We very much appreciate the extra layer of detail and extreme CLS tips.

Related links:

:: Original post, more pix ::
:: Nikon Stunning site :: (New D3 stuff up there, too.)
:: Extreme Ice Survey ::

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18 Comments:

Blogger Sean Harding said...

Very cool. It's great to hear so much detail from the horse's mouth, and the shots are wonderful.

Of course, I have to think that if they weren't specifically setting out to show off the Nikon CLS, the same thing could have been accomplished with a lot less trouble by using radio slaves...

December 07, 2007 1:54 AM  
Blogger Olivier H said...

Nice to have an insight of this kind of "adventure". We don't always imagine how hard and tedious it can be when we see the resulting photographs.
Thanks for sharing.

December 07, 2007 3:26 AM  
Anonymous Kat said...

Jeff, thanks so much for sharing with us here at strobist!

I have a question; when you say, "everything was triggered through the Nikon commander unit", do you mean the on camera comander function or were you actually using an SU-800?

Thanks Again!

December 07, 2007 7:08 AM  
Blogger Rick said...

Jeff, Thanks tremendously for the explanation. The shots on StunningNikon are just that, stunning. You and Jim and the entire staff are doing tremendous work, and I am looking forward to seeing the full extent of the results once made public. I may have to make an extra trip to Denver to see it in the Science Museum there in the spring.

December 07, 2007 7:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More than a little off topic is this link which has downloadable pdf's for making you own lens hoods.

http://www.lenshoods.co.uk/

December 07, 2007 7:57 AM  
Blogger Mule said...

Don't mean to bash nikon, the photos are amazing, but It does make me happy that Im a pdub user, non of them firing problems!

December 07, 2007 8:21 AM  
Anonymous djb said...

I use PW's usually, but appreciate having to use the built in optical slave sometimes-good use of improvising with the tin foil. I too asssisted for many years and appreciate the work and input that the assistant puts in but is usually not acknowledged--just "joe blow" photographer gets the credit--I mention this because of your input into the lighting, which frankly make the shots here...

nice to get some details about what you guys did, the preflash mis-trigger is a pain isnt it? But balanced I guess with the advantages of being able to change settings easily in many situations with CLS.
As my collection of sb's only has one 800, I don't deal too much with it, but your post does illustrate the "out of line of sight" limitation, which can be rather frustrating, Ive experienced it at even rather close distances (and having to turn one of the 800's around so that the sensor is facing the "transmitter" 800.

thanks for putting up the info about the shoot.

December 07, 2007 8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nikon needs to learn how to make a web interface, the stunning site navigation is ridiculous.

December 07, 2007 8:57 AM  
Blogger Marshall said...

Agreed about the lack of pw misfires, but as noted in the original strobist post, this is one of those projects where it's REALLY nice to be able to adjust flash output without having to go to the remote flash. I've done one shoot where I had a flash pretty inaccessibly mounted above the audience, and it was awfully nice to be able to alter the lighting. Fortunately, in that case commander mode worked fine. In other cases, it wouldn't...

December 07, 2007 10:18 AM  
Blogger scubajunkie said...

djb: Outdoors, it can be difficult to get the commander light into the sensor if not in direct line of site of the command flash or the bounce off the subject. Indoors, there are almost always enough surfaces to bounce light off of to get the command light into the strobe sensor. I've had no problems firing strobes in adjacent rooms with the built in flash on my D80.

December 07, 2007 12:53 PM  
Anonymous KB said...

Maybe one of these days some one will hook up with PW and come out with some dedicated radio slaves. That would make for some real fun.

December 07, 2007 3:25 PM  
Blogger scubajunkie said...

@KB - I think that's what the RadioPopper guys are trying to do. Granted it's not "dedicated" in that it's not a true camera-generated RF signal, but it should allow iTTL or eTTL without the line-of-sight limitation. OTOH, their web site has been pretty quite lately for a product that is supposed to be taking orders in December to ship in January. I think this is about as off-topic as I'd want to get here.

December 07, 2007 5:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

meh. the photos are ok. Why the mounting of 2 flashes together though?

December 07, 2007 6:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Translation of anonymous comment above:

"I think your photos are pretty average, and offer my personal judgement in complete anonymity, yet would like to know more about your lighting techniques. Chop-chop..."

December 07, 2007 7:20 PM  
Blogger carlos said...

If you mount two flashes together you can dial down the individual power settings and increase both recycle time and battery life.

December 08, 2007 12:21 PM  
Anonymous djb said...

I love this last "translation"--this touches exactly on the whole blog thing of everyone and his grandmother being able to put in comments....

and yes, I appreciate the ability to adjust 800's by distance, obviously in hard to get situations or even normal ones where you dont have to lower a stand just to change the output...in my case its a question of having spent money on other stuff so for now I still have to do it myself....

cheers, and to Jeff, I also appreciate working in the cold, its a bugger with all the little buttons to fiddle with on flashes or camera bodies-invariably the fingers get cold...

December 08, 2007 12:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys remember that one advantage of CLS is being able to control the flash output from the camera. Using radio slaves and running arround (or shouting at assistantes) to change output would be sort of uncomfortable out there in the cold, i suppose it could reach the point of really afecting creativity.

December 08, 2007 4:47 PM  
Anonymous Italy Photographer said...

As usual an interesting post from one of my most loved blog.
Thanks

December 08, 2007 10:37 PM  

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